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Old 09-26-2021, 06:07 PM
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S10 Steering for a 76 Help Please

Hey guys! I'm winding down on projects for my 76 Cherokee. It's time to address the steering. I've been reading and reading the forum looking for answers to my questions on how to do the S10 steering box swap for a pre 80 FSJ and can't find the details I need. Sorry if I'm revisiting a well known topic.



What year of S10 box do I need?


I know I have flared fittings and the S10 box uses O-ring fittings, are there adapters or do I ask NAPA to make me some new ones (if they still do that)?


Thanks guys I'm all ears and ready to address this issue!
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Old 09-26-2021, 09:26 PM
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You can have custom hoses made or swap out the fittings on the back of the pump to o-ring style. (Or, I guess you could swap out to an 80's p/s pump too.)
Also, Monza / Vega boxes will work and are already flare fitting.
As far as what years s10 boxes, there is a thread in the tech archives under the suspension/steering section on the first page that has some info on that.
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Old 09-26-2021, 09:37 PM
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I've ordered a gear box for a 2003 S10 4wd and some power steering lines for an 85 Wagoneer to get the o-ring type lines. It's a start, hopefully she bolts in cleanly, everything is the right size and the steering issues are tightened up. Am I missing anything? A few years back I replaced the factory pump with one from Rockauto that had a 3.5 end to end total turn but it didn't help. Everything else is tight under there and I've addressed my castor angle with a wedge and have the drop pitman arm, there's no reason that the "wandering" should be happening on the road. I'm addressing the little things that annoy me so I can talk myself into keeping the beast! I do love her!
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Old 09-26-2021, 11:48 PM
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I've never looked at either the Jeep or Chevy boxes, but take a look at sector shaft dia and splines, your might need to scare up a different pitman arm. Just a thought.
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Old 09-27-2021, 08:18 PM
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How is the rag joint? How about the u-joint on the upper steering shaft? Any play in either? Ball joints have any play?

Do you know what your caster angle is - have you ever had it aligned? Do you have extended length front shackles? Just thinking out loud.......
Why did you have to put in the wedge?
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Old 09-27-2021, 08:59 PM
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All the joints are addressed and not an issue. No shackles, I did a 4" spring lift a few years ago. My rig only has 52K original miles. I decided to put the wedge in there after doing some reading on spring lifts and castor (I think, it's been a couple years)...
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Old 10-02-2021, 12:59 PM
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well..... nevermind! Upon some further inspection I think I found my problem!



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did you install the shims to correct the caster yourself? did they come with the lift kit? They may not be correct still, can you take it to a real 4WD shop to have it checked? my shims made a improvement but i was not happy and took it in to a shop, and they installed different shims and it drove like a dream...forget the chain shops they will refuse to do it or say it cant be done

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well..... nevermind! Upon some further inspection I think I found my problem!

Yeah that would be a problem!

Grab some new correct bushings and slap them in the spring eyes.
Pretty easy job. Use a large flat chisel the open the "eye" on the main leaf.
Makes removal/install of bushings much easier.
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