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Old 05-01-2022, 09:41 AM
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WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THIS FORUM?????

As a long time member I am a bit disappointed in the help that people provide. Not that long ago if you had a question you had multiple answers within a short time. The last 6 times I asked for help I got ZERO REPLIES.

Is it just me? if so I will quit the site at once.. It's a shame. Met a bunch of great guys here, Grantshire, Dennis Rhodes, Babywag, Tuffcj, and a bunch of others.
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Old 05-01-2022, 12:26 PM
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Other venues like facebook groups have impacted forums.
Not nearly the traffic on here compared to few years ago.
It isn't you...

However seeing the idiotic replies some get on facebook probably better to wait for an answer hahaha
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Old 05-01-2022, 01:04 PM
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yea it sucks and the value/demand for waggies has fallen considerably

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Old 05-01-2022, 02:22 PM
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When FSJ cranked up a few years ago, most everyone migrated there, and things really slowed down over here
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Old 05-01-2022, 05:41 PM
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Yes, and I am just new here bringing home my first FSJ just a couple weeks back, and looking for answers myself.
I do have general mechanical knowledge to share, from life and working on my CJ5, and will share even if I may not be totally on point.....but I will let it be known I am only trying to help, as others have helped me on the CJ side.

So yes please IFSJA members, I would not give you $.02 for fakebook information, but value input here as golden.

Keep this forum alive please, as not all of us even look at that other site!
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'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift

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Old 05-01-2022, 05:53 PM
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And this site takes forever to get your account approved to use it. Kind of a PITA when you go months and can’t use it
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Old 05-01-2022, 07:00 PM
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Well for those of us that are here......keep trolling the other posts, so we can help where we can.
I know I have made suggestions, then nothing from OP, so not sure if info helped or not. Even asked for follow up, and just "crickets"

Hang in there team
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'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift

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Old 05-02-2022, 09:39 AM
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This is my favorite FSJ site by far, I've been a long time member and have had a few FSJ's the entire time,
My attention goes to what ever years, style I'm working on. Currently 81 Cherokee. even though I have a couple of later ones.

I find a lot of my answers in the build threads, and thankfully There is a great PO that contributes.

I think people come and go here a lot. There is defiantly a solid core group of members that answer the majority of questions. I miss some of the old timers that use to post often.
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Old 05-02-2022, 09:51 AM
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Nice to see support still out there.

Anybody know best place to look up diagram for fuel tank 1984 Grand Wagoneer?
Have it dropped but want to identify factory connections, so it gets re-hosed correctly to go back in.

I find online information lacking badly.

Thanks
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'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift

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Old 05-02-2022, 10:16 AM
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Nice to see support still out there.

Anybody know best place to look up diagram for fuel tank 1984 Grand Wagoneer?
Have it dropped but want to identify factory connections, so it gets re-hosed correctly to go back in.

I find online information lacking badly.

Thanks

I have a factory manual the probably has this very specific info, Although the manual is not for an 84, It's probably fairly accurate. I'm pretty sure the plastic coffin tanks were very similar from at least 1981 on. Maybe earlier? My old 79 was Metal.
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Old 05-02-2022, 10:18 AM
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Ok, and I did upload the 82 TSM, so maybe it will be there.

Thanks, I will check it, and report back
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'81 CJ5 Base, 258 I6, MC2100, T176 4 spd, 300 TC, D30 Front NT, 3.31, 2-Piece AMC 20 rear NT, 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift

'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift

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Old 05-02-2022, 10:47 AM
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This is for an 87 Grand Wagoneer. This may help but it is vague, This is the book it came from.

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Old 05-02-2022, 12:12 PM
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Ok, and mine has those 4 lines 1,2,5,6,7, but then towards the front it has another fitting. Might need to just chase the line and see where it connects.

Thanks

And I did see a couple books similar to that in a bank box full of stuff. Will rat through and see if the book is the same for mine.
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'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift

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Old 05-02-2022, 12:54 PM
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Here are a couple more pages from the book. I'm pretty sure those two vent lines tee together just before they get to the Evap canister and are the dashed lines.

I put a rear tank in my 81 Cherokee, so I'm not using those factory lines. I'm pretty confident that's how mine were. There should be a couple of hard lines that the rubber lines at the tank feed into and run to the front pass side before switching back to rubber heading to the Evap canister.




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Old 05-02-2022, 01:28 PM
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That second view is what I was looking for. The #8-9 valve, that is what I have on my tank, but not sure what it is for. Might be the equal of fuel shutoff valve?

Everything was hooked up, and will be rubber replaced on all connections to frame before re-install, not to mention new hard line feed & return on the block up to filter, where rubber jumps from frame to block.

PO had a rubber feed line on there, it was cooked bad, and return blocked off at filter. Have to locate the return line on the frame, so it is available if needed after I get it running.

Per suggestions, will start out with electric pump and no return, see how it does in the desert heat. But I know on my CJ, I run manual pump with return, and no vapor lock at 114*+ cruising around at 1-3 mph slow crawling the desert.
Difference of the 258 4 spd in CJ vs the 401 in the Wagoneer with auto trans. A lot more heat will generate in the Wagoneer engine well, so want options.

Thanks for diagrams as they help a lot
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'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift

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Old 05-05-2022, 02:39 PM
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yep, I eco the thoughts of the first few posts. Been on here since 97.

Like in my sig, I have two other projects that also take a 3rd of my spare time, when not working on the house, working at church or at kids houses.

Right now trying to get my pole barn/garage up and going, still waiting on permitting, once that is up, projects are a go again! The jeep being closest to completion. Well, short of wiring up the 351W with the jeep 360 wiring harness and getting exhaust made for it.
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Old 05-05-2022, 02:55 PM
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Hope the shop is done soon, with no delays, so work can continue.

And apologize for hijacking the thread for my fuel tank woes, but was nice to get the info so quick.

I can appreciate fast responses, as it is really frustrating on other forums (Chevy Blazer for one) when a question is asked, and never a response in 30 days. Finally un-subscribed as I got more help for my dads 2007 Blazer on the CJ forum, from peers I had been working with on my CJ5.

Please keep reading and responding with comments everyone, as it is so helpful to know you are all out there, and every one of you smarter than this black box we are told to "search" with.

Finding very little good info out there for FSJ repairs, and methods for rebuilding.

Thanks
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'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift

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Old 05-05-2022, 04:51 PM
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And this site takes forever to get your account approved to use it. Kind of a PITA when you go months and can t use it
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But this is HOPEFULLY going to be fixed soon. Some stuff is happening in the back ground that may help the long delay in getting members approved.

I find the quality of answers are here MUCH better than other sites. In my few years on here, I can only think of one real "bad apple". The people on here are much more pleasant, too. I don't have the brain power to use multiple sites so I do have an account over are FSJN but log in once or twice a year.. maybe.
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As a long time member I am a bit disappointed in the help that people provide. Not that long ago if you had a question you had multiple answers within a short time. The last 6 times I asked for help I got ZERO REPLIES.


Sometimes people do not have a good answer.

When I was thinking of having some trans work locally, I scouted a few places... it is scary to see what is happening in some of these shops... besides slipping on oily floor... the cleanliness of the workbench does not presume of long lasting repair! At least one of these let me scrounge for parts in their recycle bin... One other place, it looked as the crew did not have a single idea on how to proceed... safely...
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Old 05-05-2022, 07:30 PM
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devildog80, heading to your neck of the woods this weekend, my old stomping ground. Grew up in Phoenix, well actually west side, Glendale.

no harm in hijacking. one thing, we can get on the FB posts and direct them to here for help.
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