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Old 01-02-2013, 06:19 PM
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Another CS-144 option

Nations Starter and Alternator in Missouri is building me a 170 amp, CS-144 alternator with a SI-10 style mounting via case modification and a dual v-belt pulley. He said it will bolt right in and plug into the factory harness but it is a CS-144. They offer a few different powder coating and painting options too. I'll let you know what I think of it after I get it installed and tested. There are some obvious flaws with going this route, but it may be a good fit for others like it is for me so I wanted to share.

They do have a web site, but to order something like this you'd want to call them. 888-334-2632
http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/
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Old 01-02-2013, 06:47 PM
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Sorry there is not enough room to put a 144mm rotor in a 130mm space,
so it is not going to be a 144 if the case is a SI-10/SI-12/CS130 frame size.


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Nations Starter and Alternator in Missouri is building me a 170 amp, CS-144 alternator with a SI-10 style mounting via case modification and a dual v-belt pulley. He said it will bolt right in and plug into the factory harness but it is a CS-144. They offer a few different powder coating and painting options too. I'll let you know what I think of it after I get it installed and tested. There are some obvious flaws with going this route, but it may be a good fit for others like it is for me so I wanted to share.

They do have a web site, but to order something like this you'd want to call them. 888-334-2632
http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/
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interesting

How do they do that???

Nothing not even the regulator will work I would not walk away I would run. 20 pounds of stuff in a 5 pound bag
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:05 AM
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I appreciate that input.

But they aren't cramming a 144mm alternator into a 130mm case. It's a case modification, not a transplant. They are taking a 144mm case, cutting off the lower mounting ear and welding it back on clocked to clear. I understand it will sit just a bit outboard compared to the original location.

What is the concern though about the regulator?
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:23 AM
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You should make sure to beef up the high current lead. The others will be fine.
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:23 AM
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There isn't a concern at all with any of it. The other guys are confused about what you originally posted. They looked past this part; "CS-144 alternator with a SI-10 style mounting via case modification"
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Yeppers

That's what I did I don't care for a non standard unit that would be harder to replace & I would rather have mine built by someone who builds thousands of performance alternators. It's a crapshoot but your money. Powdercoating won't do anything for me. I am at a loss as to why these mods for the same size alternator that sticks out farther. Longer non standard belt & the battery right there in the way. I have a feeling the alternator bracket would still be a challenge besides I like the heavy bracket upgrade to go to the 144. There's only one way to find out though. Mine doesn't have the wiring issue with the plug it's a one wire. So the 144 is what I choose to do. I use a lot more amperage though. I like the custom regulators as opposed to stock.


170 amps Huh if you ever start running high amps with the stock system make sure you own a fire extinguisher. 170 amps on a system that stuggles to carry 70 is not cool. Run a larger wire from the back of the alternator to the solenoid.
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I would not walk away I would run.


RUN FORREST!!! THAT TRUCK HAS A NON-STOCK CS144 IN IT!!!


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yeah

but it has a stock housing LMAO

Kinda like roller rockers not needed but I got it.

or chinese tires
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170A alt?
Yikes what you running an onboard welder or you contracting the lighting for your local baseball stadium?
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That's what I did I don't care for a non standard unit that would be harder to replace & I would rather have mine built by someone who builds thousands of performance alternators. It's a crapshoot but your money. Powercoating won't do anything for me. I am at a loss as to why these mods for the same size alternator that sticks out farther. Longer non standard belt & the battery right there in th eway. I have a feeling the alternator bracket would still be a challenge besides I like the heavy bracket upgrade to go to the 144. There's only one way to find out though. Mine doesn't have the wiring issue with the plug it's a one wire. So the 144 is what I choose to do. I use a lot more amperage though. I like the custonm regulators as opposed to stock.


170 amps Huh if you ever start running high amps with the stock system make sure you own a fire extinguisher. 170 amps on a system that stuggles to carry 70 is not cool. Run a larger wire from the back of the alternator to the solenoid.

I would like the heavy duty CS-144 bracket as well, and I know you have three of them but I have zero, and it's unclear when another batch will be available. Also. I realized yesterday that there are a lot of people in line ahead of me when Mike releases them. Believe me, I'll still buy that bracket from him when he lets me know he has one to send, but that plan does me no good today. I need a new alternator before I can drive my GW and I don't want to buy a stock unit. I also don't want to modify the flimsy stock adjusting mount. This was my right now fix.

That all said, yes, a fire extinguisher will be in hand when I start the wagon the first few times. And thanks for that advice.
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:02 PM
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Yes and yes.

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170A alt?
Yikes what you running an onboard welder or you contracting the lighting for your local baseball stadium?

Yes and Yes!

No, not really. But I do have a 1200 watt stereo system. I also want the freedom to install the seat heaters I had previously decided to forgo because of the dainty factory charging system. I plan to replace the head liner soon with a suede liner and I may/may not install fiber optic lighting up there, or late model Merecedes style mood lighting around the interior. A larger invertor will be installed in the back too. The 1990 GW has all power windows, locks, mirrors, seats, sliding sunroof, fog lights, etc. I just want to be able to add a bit more load to it successfully.

I know it's unlikley that I'll need to run the coffee maker while I'm closing the sunroof and closing the rear window. But If I ever need to, I don't want to have to turn down the music, turn off the head/fog lights and wipers and stop adjusting my seats and mirrors while I do it.
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:12 PM
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Yeah

I understand Kevin & I'm biased your stereo on peaks draws 86 amps by itself. bass will peak higher when your trying to pierce your ears.
They'd really freak out with my 250 amp one. Total my winch alone can lock rotor 175 amps. that doesn't include the stereo 6 driving lights ETC.

You got do what you gotta do it may even be very good for all anyone knows. You ceratainly have one advatage if there's issues your right there.

I have to say not being stock doesn't bother me & the smaller alterntors are OK also. I likw the power masters regultors I've used the in modified & after markets so I just have that preference. yours may be just as good.
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Make sure you add a good fuse to all that stuff...

What Smoke said

I did in fact think it was a smaller case My bad.
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Don't sweat the brackets there will be another run, I just don't have a exact time line, as the cutter guy was sucking up his vacation time before Christmas, and he just got back this week. I should have a better idea tomorrow. I run quite a few at a time due to the min quantities needed to keep costs in line, on cutting the blanks and coating. If you are in line front/back no matter they will all be here at the same time.
I hope (no promises yet) that they will be in stock by the end of the month.

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I would like the heavy duty CS-144 bracket as well, and I know you have three of them but I have zero, and it's unclear when another batch will be available. Also. I realized yesterday that there are a lot of people in line ahead of me when Mike releases them. Believe me, I'll still buy that bracket from him when he lets me know he has one to send, but that plan does me no good today. I need a new alternator before I can drive my GW and I don't want to buy a stock unit. I also don't want to modify the flimsy stock adjusting mount. This was my right now fix.

That all said, yes, a fire extinguisher will be in hand when I start the wagon the first few times. And thanks for that advice.
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