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Old 02-13-2012, 01:45 PM
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Spools for waggy D44's?

Do they offer a Spool for a dana 44 or should I just weld the rear?. I got a $600 waggy and I am not dropping the money for a Detroit. I actually have driven a welded rear truck and I also had a Detroit and the welded rear was atleast a bit more predictable. If you keep the tire pressures equal then usually you are just fine.
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Old 02-13-2012, 01:56 PM
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I ran a mini-spool in my 74 for years with no issues with 34" LTB's. I got mine from Randy's Ring and Pinion.

http://www.ringpinion.com/
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Old 02-13-2012, 01:59 PM
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This one here.

http://www.ringpinion.com/b2c/Produc...rce=DiffWizard
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Old 02-13-2012, 02:00 PM
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Full spool not a bad price either.

http://www.ringpinion.com/b2c/Produc..._Gear_and_Axle
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Old 02-13-2012, 02:10 PM
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Thats awesome, great price. Im going to be running 35" tires MAX, maybe even 33" tires so I think if I use my head I wont break to much being locked up. I ran a dana 44 front axle on 38" tires with an ARB and didnt break anything on a Suburban(did have chromo shafts and CTM joints however). SO another question, I can lock up the front also as long as I install manual hubs correct?. I wouldnt wanna be running around with fulltime hubs and a locked front diff. Anyone have any hub reccomendations for my 86 Grand waggy up front?.
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Old 02-13-2012, 02:17 PM
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I am certainly not the expert but I don't think you can't run manual hubs unlocked on a NP228. I think it would damage the internals but if you swapped to a NP208 it would work. That is my plan, eventually. Others will chime in for sure. As far as putting a spool in the front with unlocked hubs, I don't see why not.

Edit: sorry i put "can" instead of "can't". I don't know why I do that sometimes. I am getting old...
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Old 02-13-2012, 03:31 PM
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I'm welded up front and locked out back with hubs and np208 and 37" tires. Works great so far for the last 4 years.
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Old 02-14-2012, 05:10 AM
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If your welding skills are good, I say weld it. If not and you can find a full spool, throw that in there instead.
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:05 AM
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Welp...I just limped it home. Apparently spools don't like Dana44's and 36's. I've got two holes on my rear diff cover. I ran up to the parts store to buy a battery and I heard teeth break as I turned in. Got out, saw the stream of gear oil pouring out and jumpd back in and took the most direct route home. Dang-it! I was running 4.10 thick gears. I'll pull the diff cover off and check it out later. I knew I was pushing the limits...
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:19 AM
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Welp...I just limped it home. Apparently spools don't like Dana44's and 36's. I've got two holes on my rear diff cover. I ran up to the parts store to buy a battery and I heard teeth break as I turned in. Got out, saw the stream of gear oil pouring out and jumpd back in and took the most direct route home. Dang-it! I was running 4.10 thick gears. I'll pull the diff cover off and check it out later. I knew I was pushing the limits...

As a counter to this Ive been running 36's on a rear 44 for 10 years now, only related problem was low gear oil took out some bearings but that was most likely my own fault. I discovered I had a front diff cover on the rear which put the fill plug so low it wasn't lubricating properly, have since corrected and not had any problems. Mine is welded BTW.
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Old 02-14-2012, 01:43 PM
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Well I figured mine out. The shop that installed the spool didn't loc-tite the ring gear bolts and they started to back out. One came all the way out and got eaten by the ring gear. Lost a couple teeth on the ring gear. Pinion gear looks okay. I'm going to call the shop and see what they can do....
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Old 02-14-2012, 02:13 PM
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Well I figured mine out. The shop that installed the spool didn't loc-tite the ring gear bolts and they started to back out. One came all the way out and got eaten by the ring gear. Lost a couple teeth on the ring gear. Pinion gear looks okay. I'm going to call the shop and see what they can do....
Ouch! From my side of the street it looks like they can install a new R&P for you.
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Old 02-14-2012, 02:14 PM
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Hey Scott, I am curious: Did you use a hardened cross shaft in that mini-spool?
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Old 02-14-2012, 02:20 PM
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IIRC correctly I used the stock ones out of the D44 carrier. That was a long time ago when I installed it so I may be mistaken. I ran this in the orange 74 on many Moab and Ouray trips as well as Holy Cross and a bunch of CO trails.
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Old 02-14-2012, 02:22 PM
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I also ran bias ply tires which were more forgiving on the trails and on the street. I would think radials would be alot harder on axle shafts with a spool or mini
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Old 02-14-2012, 02:42 PM
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be careful with mini's and big tires. Most breakage I've seen with a mini or welded spiders that aren't welded to the carrier, is that the carrier actually breaks at the cross pin.

As for mine, I've got to get it on a trailer and up to the shop. Sounds like the owner knows the fault is due to the install. I asked if he was going to cover it... he said "just get it up here and we'll take a look at it."

2 bolts came completely out, 1 got eaten and took out 3 ring gear teeth. 7 bolts or so are backed out a couple threads. only 1 ring gear bolt is still tight. pinion gear is okay.

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Just got off the phone, work was done 13 months ago, under no warranty due to the spool and oversized tires. Owner is gonna cut me a break since damage was due to the bolts backing out and not failure due to the spool. I'll buy the new gear set, and he'll set 'em up for me for free. Buying 1 new set of gears at his cost price is much better than him telling me to get bent.

If the carnage had been worse, I'd have shelled out 2 G's for the 1 tons I've been wanting.
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:58 PM
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I have the yukon full spools with 35in boggers and it works great.
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Old 02-16-2012, 08:41 AM
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I have the yukon full spools with 35in boggers and it works great.

Me too but only in the rear. Love it other than the way it kills my tires on the road. The OP doesn't want to pay for a setup though and is trying to go on the cheap.

I have been looking into lunchboxes a lot lately. Maybe that's what I should have done the first time. The Aussie, Spartan, or Lockrights are all great options for under $300 requiring no gear change if you have an open carrier. There's a great product review on these three 'drop-in lockers' in Jp magazine. Very informative and unbiased. All three are good units, but each has it's perks.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:19 AM
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knock on wood, I love the Aussie in my rear D44 with 33x11.50 MTs. Only eaten one ujoint so far, but perhaps I should have greased it at some point since 2007 :P
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