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Old 01-10-2021, 10:08 AM
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2021 Jeep Full Size Jeeps

Whos ready for the new 2021 FSJs? Will anyone here consider them as a FSJ? From the Wiki definition for the SJ platform, they do meet the dimensions.


A "FSJ" is any vehicle produced in North America, carrying the "Jeep" nameplate, with 2 or 4 doors, in rear- or four-wheel drive, whose wheelbase does not exceed 132 in (3,353 mm), nor is less than 109 in (2,769 mm), and whose tread width is no more than 67 in (1,702 mm) nor less than 57 in (1,448 mm).

I like the look of the new Grand Cherokee L myself.

https://s.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dim...P021_007MM.jpg
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Old 01-10-2021, 10:57 AM
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They aren't FSJs....the SJ died in 1991 when they ended production on the GW.
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Old 01-10-2021, 12:14 PM
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If you read it on Wiki it must be true?

That definition was probably developed to exclude the XJ's. Couldn't just go by year since they coexisted with the Wags.

Do the FC's fit those criteria? How about the new Jeep "Truck".
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Old 01-10-2021, 12:23 PM
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If you read it on Wiki it must be true?

That definition was probably developed to exclude the XJ's. Couldn't just go by year since they coexisted with the Wags.

Do the FC's fit those criteria? How about the new Jeep "Truck".


lol. Didnt say I take it as the definition of FSJ. Just stirring the pot to see what everyone thought.
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Old 01-10-2021, 06:55 PM
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hey

I admit my thoughts are worth nothing.

is "jeep" the company officially

bringing back the term FSJ ?..... In reference their 2021 line ???

new anything is not my cup of tea.

an FSJ for me will always mean the original frame work of the wagoneers

and J trucks,.......but to each his own.

the last new vehicle I bought was a 2004 GMC truck, and It will be the last.

I had no pride of ownership then or now,....

it is a great truck,....never a problem......but I would give it up in a heartbeat for

a cherokee chief like mad mikes.

older is better.....and that includes just about everything.

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Old 01-12-2021, 02:21 PM
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I think "Full Size Jeep" is a generic term for a Jeep that is Full Size, just like or "Open top Jeep" is a generic term for a Jeep with an Open Top. So a JL is just as much "open top Jeep" as a CJ-2A because it is a Jeep with an open top.

"Full Size Jeep" has always referred to SJs but, at this point, I do consider the new Wagoneers "Full Size Jeeps" because they are full size, and Jeeps (not because they are called "Wagoneers"). But they are not SJs. On the same note, I do not consider new Gladiators, XJs, or the new Cherokees FSJs because they are not "Full Size" even though they are named after SJs. I do not hate any of these vehicles but I am not sure their owners will feel like they need to come here.
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Old 01-31-2021, 07:26 AM
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By this definition the new Scrambler... I mean the new "Gladiator" doesn't fall in spec.

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A "FSJ" is any vehicle produced in North America, carrying the "Jeep" nameplate, with 2 or 4 doors, in rear- or four-wheel drive, whose wheelbase does not exceed 132 in (3,353 mm), nor is less than 109 in (2,769 mm), and whose tread width is no more than 67 in (1,702 mm) nor less than 57 in (1,448 mm).



It's wheelbase is 137.3 in.

Personally I'm with SOLSAKS on feelings about a newer vehicle and I hate that the new Jeeps didn't even bother to make make the new ones with old names look even slightly like the original.
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Old 03-11-2021, 09:08 AM
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Pimpin'

I'm with Solsaks, this is just the current trademark owner (FCA? Stellantis?)
pimpin' out the name to those with money to burn. Sic Semper Stupidum.
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Old 03-11-2021, 10:30 AM
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lkmarsh,...I agree with you too.

new vehicles are just not my cup of tea,...

I don't get an excited feeling when I see one,...

I get a sad, sinking, cold feeling, like,.... this is just another computer.

a smart phone on wheels.

give me a real vehicle, that I can feel feedback from ,... and feel the road under me....

new stuff totally separates you from the vehicle and the road.

unlike an FSJ,.....when It feels a little dangerous, it is much more fun.....

and if you have seen crash tests on FSJ's,...its dangerous ,...haha.

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Old 03-11-2021, 09:40 PM
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... and I hate that the new Jeeps didn't even bother to make make the new ones with old names look even slightly like the original.

No kidding. Now the J12 was another story....you could see a LOT of SJ cues in that rig, even though it was supposedly based on a Wrangler platform. That was one that I could have supported being produced.

Sad thing is....at this point most people think of Jeeps by what's been around the past 20 years or so. They do NOT think what we do....bearing in mind these old lovable boxy rigs. Most of them don't even know what we have and love IS a Jeep.
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Old 03-21-2021, 04:19 PM
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really can't believe no one posted this...you decide....

An "FSJ" is any vehicle produced in North America, carrying the "Jeep" nameplate, with 2 or 4drs, in 2 or 4wd, whose wheelbase does not exceed 132", nor is less than 109", and whose tread width is no more than 63" nor less than 57". This definition is known to include the following models:

Cherokee: 1974-1983
Wagoneer: 1963-1983
Grand Wagoneer: 1984-1991
Gladiator and J-series pickup: 1963-1987
M-715 Military versions and its derivatives
The following vehicles, while not technically Full Size Jeeps, are welcomed here, as they are the honored forebearers of our beloved beasts of burden:
1947-1965 Jeep All Steel Wagon
1947-1965 Jeep Pickup (not Gladiator)
Forward Control Trucks (FC-150/FC-170) - although the FC-150 was based on the CJ chassis
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Old 03-22-2021, 09:52 PM
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Sad thing is....at this point most people think of Jeeps by what's been around the past 20 years or so. They do NOT think what we do....bearing in mind these old lovable boxy rigs. Most of them don't even know what we have and love IS a Jeep.


That is so true. Several times recently I've been approached by people who said they didn't know Jeep made pickups until recently.
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That is so true. Several times recently I've been approached by people who said they didn't know Jeep made pickups until recently.




In the past month my Cherokee Chief has been called a Bronco twice!!
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Old 03-25-2021, 08:10 PM
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Just took a look at some of the pics going round of the *new* GW. All I can say is:

YAWWWWN!!!!

Absolutely run of the mill for today. Once again, the owners of Jeep are following the trends instead of blazing the trails.

The *definitions* of a FSJ noted above, and elsewhere on the interwebs, were probably created to differentiate the FSJ models from the other SWB, and other newer Jeeps. I take that with a grain of salt, or a salt tablet or two. Even if it technically fits *those* descriptions, it doesn't make it a new version of the old. Though our old beasts were never perfect, they have their lovable elements, and that can't be replaced with *newer and improveder*.
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It is gonna get real awkward real quick!
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According to the definition on this very web page...No, they are not FSJs.

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An "FSJ" is any vehicle produced in North America, carrying the "Jeep" nameplate, with 2 or 4drs, in 2 or 4wd, whose wheelbase does not exceed 132", nor is less than 109", and whose tread width is no more than 63" nor less than 57". This definition is known to include the following models:

Cherokee: 1974-1983
Wagoneer: 1963-1983
Grand Wagoneer: 1984-1991
Gladiator and J-series pickup: 1963-1987
M-715 Military versions and its derivatives

http://www.ifsja.org/whatfsj.html
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