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Old 07-07-2022, 12:18 PM
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Everyone--Dream FSJ

I'd have made this a poll, but there are too many options here. I'm curious--what're your dream ideas for a FSJ, given that you can get one and have all of the resources (time, money, skills, etc.) you'd need for the build.

Here's what I've been thinking:
I guess with my daily driver being more of a capable street rig, 365 days a year here, I'd be looking at more of an off-road type rig. I read somewhere that the Kaiser-era J-200/2000 series rigs, when bare bones, with the inline 6, weigh about 3200 lbs curb weight, about what an XJ weighs. I'd probably want a '69, with the Buick 350 (the SBB is the lightest factory engine in these rigs), the fiberglass stepside bed, power steering, and otherwise no options whatsoever. I'd go for 2-3" of lift, and 33s or 35s, with a later open-knuckle D44 front axle (with a 5x5.5 lug conversion). E-lockers front and rear would be wicked, and slotted aluminum wheels would also be awesome. The only other thing would be a Retrosound radio and a speaker in each door. If I ever get my HAM radio license I might want a HAM radio in it too...

The only big modifications I'd make to the body/chassis would be 1) replacing the original front fenders with fiberglass, 2) modifying the brow to have slots so that air can pass through, thus no longer killing mileage so much, 3) install receivers front and rear so it has tow points, and you can put in winch inserts and everything else, without ALWAYS having that extra weight on it to drag around, and 4) install front shoulder belts. I might do a custom headliner/visors and stuff if it needed that done anyway, and I'd put LEDs all around (just the ones that plug into the factory spots, not totally ruining the look and everything). No poly bushings, not because I don't prefer poly, but because I'd be afraid of getting sand and dirt in them, and eating the bushings up. Otherwise bone stock

Starting with the Buick 350, if I were to stick with combustion (I mean really I'd want electric...)I'd get an aluminum T/A performance 455 swapped into it, aluminum block, heads, fuel injected intake, all from T/A, with headers and true dual exhaust, hooked up to a 5-speed and a Dana 20 with a Teralow kit in it.

That setup would get you right around 3,000 lbs, making it basically a stock XJ for weight, but with easily twice the torque (and horsepower, though with these trucks you're not gonna notice that too much), and much bigger tires (whether or not some people claim that you can do it, anything bigger than 30s don't go well with a stock height XJ), with better approach/departure angles, making it practically unstoppable, and it should be able to pull 20 mpg without too much of a struggle.

Now, I also said unlimited funds and resources, so really I'd hook up two electric motors, directly to the front of the factory 3-on-the-tree (no clutch necessary!), each one making about the same hp/torque as the original B350. Then I'd put batteries in throughout (plenty of space under there, especially on a truck with no gas tank, exhaust, or engine...the front motor wouldn't go too far into the engine bay), just enough to give it a 300+ mile range, otherwise it'll start adding too much weight. Everything before the combustion stuff would still be true, and I'd still do the TerraLow in the D20.

What's your dream FSJ, or an FSJ you'd love to build? I'm guessing mine is kind of a weird one, so I'm curious, what would you guys be after?

Here's one thread on it: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=168184

Just with all of the new options and technology that's come out in the last couple of years, I'm curious.
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3" exhaust
31x10.5s
2" rear lift blocks
custom headliner
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Old 07-07-2022, 02:30 PM
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HellCrate With 8-Speed Auto.
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Old 07-07-2022, 04:55 PM
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My only wish is that the Cummins crate motor was available when I started.
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Old 07-07-2022, 06:36 PM
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If we are dreamin':

1. A fully restored Super Wagoneer (1967 maybe, or the last 1969 one?), but with a L86/8L90 swap and link/coil suspension set up at maybe 1-2" lift so it appears stock. Vintage air run through the stock A/C dash A/C unit vents, etc. Indian Ceramic, Avocado Mist (I don't think originally offered for the Super) or Prairie Gold.

2. A really nice, but not too nice to daily drive, WT Cherokee. I am torn between a GE or Laredo with upgraded seats (maybe modern Grand Cherokee or similar), roll cage, L86/8L90 and link/coil suspension set up at 4" lift, J20 axles or D60 front and rear, and appropriate size tires. There are various other details like vintage air, Custom bumpers, winch, LED lighting, etc. Golden Ginger or Loden Green Metallic

3. 1980 J-20 long bed in great shape but usable as a truck. Diesel or maybe just well built 401 w/ EFI, 5 speed manual, boxed frame, D60 front and maybe 11.5" rear axles, maybe 2" above stock. It needs to tow well and hold a slide-in camper. I would probably go with the classic two-tone Avocado Mist and Alpine White with the stainless trim.

I could probably come up with 2 or 3 more if I had the endless garage with a workshop incorporated. Would have to have room for the 3 jeeps we currently have, as I couldn't get rid of any of them..

(can't tell I have thought about this before..)



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Old 07-08-2022, 01:03 PM
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1. A 100% original Super Wagoneer with a V8
2. A 63 2-door panel delivery with a Tornado engine
3. A late 70's Cherokee with a 401 (wait - I have one!!)
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Old 07-13-2022, 11:41 AM
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My only wish is that the Cummins crate motor was available when I started.
I totally understand what you are saying. You posted something in the last few months along these lines comparing your Nissan to the crate Cummins. But you also said once (when I swung by your place) that you wanted simplicity. The Cummins is an AWESOME motor but they are just as much wires and sensors as a new Hemi...plus the turbo, intercooler, etc. They are great motors but if you are looking for simplicity, it ain't that motor (the Cummins).
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I have 2 dream rigs. I dream of both of them OFTEN.
1) early 70's J truck or Gladiator. It is daily driver reliable, it is nice but not gorgeous. AT LEAST 500hp/500lb/ft of torque, AT LEAST 4 forward speeds (5 speeds if a stick), 4 wheel disc breaks, COLD A/C, a nice sounding stereo, fairly soft suspension, NO RATTLES, NO CREAKS, NO LEAKS, NO WHISTLING NOISES FROM THE VENT WINDOWS, power windows/locks/seat, and no choke or "special" instructions needed to drive it. If my wife wants to drive it she can grab the keys and go. Barely (if at all) lifted, 33" tires, manual hubs in the front, ARB locker in the front, Truetrac in the back. Stock bumpers, stock looking except maybe a mild roll bar with a few lights on it.

2) 79 Cherokee Chief Widetrack (HAS to be a 79 because it has to be Pignosed and Quadratrack). Built in 1978 as if Jeep wanted to go NASCAR in 1979 and almost got there but NASCAR would not let an AWD vehicle on the track. Still Quadratrack, NASTY obnoxious 401, gutted interior except NASCAR legal roll cage, looks like it was ready to race, but was prevented by "the man" because they knew it was so revolutionary and out of the box that it would dominate. After being rejected it made a few rounds at advertisement events, then got lost for 30 years before "I found it a barn and revived it" type of look. This would be my weekend cruiser. It be would loud, not really ready for the highway, and would have to FASSSST! Sitting much lower than stock on NASCAR style wheels and tires (BIG ol' fat meats), Still solid axles in the front and back but 4 linked in the front for handling and weight savings. Truetracs front and rear. Lots of fiberglass to get the weight down (assuming they did this in NASCAR in 1978/79).
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Old 07-15-2022, 03:19 PM
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Old 07-16-2022, 08:06 AM
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My 73' J4000 with the 360 V8 converted with a impco propane kit.
Did a almost complete rebuild on it with a high gloss black paint job back in 2004/2006 and used it daily for thirteen years.
(the 360 engine was running strong ,so it only got new bearings and gaskets.)
It was my dream Jeep truck in that period , only was looking for a T-18 transmission for it or another T-15 so I could do a rebuild on the transmission.

It is now in pieces again after the engine was on its last legs in 2019
So it's getting another total rebuild with new/stronger drive line and going with a low mileage 12 valve Cummins engine for more durability.
Also putting a utility bed on the back like Jaber has on his J20.
Still have a lot of welding to do on the cab and roof section and also the front fenders.

My other dream truck is het 70/71 j4000 with Buick engine.
The long term plan for that truck is to keep it stock with only a impco propane conversion kit on it.
And repairing the rusted metal in the floor section.
Maybe putting the stainless trim from my 73' on it ,but that's probably it.

So I like the idea to have two of the same , but also totally different dream trucks
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73' Jeep J4000 (named Heep or Desert Dragon) amc 360 V8 converted to LPG with T15/D20 (was my daily work truck for thirteen years and is getting major overhaul at the moment!)
80' Jeep cj5 350 V8 Chevy/sm420/D300 project
70/71 Jeep J4000 parts truck with Buick 350

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Old 07-16-2022, 11:15 AM
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I've driven trucks with the propane conversion, never owned one, but always thought about doing that conversion.

The propane is much more stable, when sitting for long periods of time. Still derived from fossil fuels, but much more efficient and cleaner than gasoline.

How much are the kits running right now?
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Old 07-17-2022, 04:13 AM
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I've driven trucks with the propane conversion, never owned one, but always thought about doing that conversion.

The propane is much more stable, when sitting for long periods of time. Still derived from fossil fuels, but much more efficient and cleaner than gasoline.

How much are the kits running right now?

Don't know how much a complete kit costs nowadays
But back then it was around 1700- euro's for a basic A300 setup with 100 liters propane tank.
Still had to make a adapter for straight onto the carb.
Later on i put the tank under the truck with a second tank so it was total 125 liters on 80 procent.

The AMC 360 engine did run perfect on propane
Also in the winter time.
It only took more time to heat up the cab and defrost the windows because the heat exchanger for the propane avoperator took also heat from the engine coolant.
Did drive it every day on propane for thirteen years without to much trouble or maintenance on the kit.

Later on I removed the total gasoline spare fuel tank and pump with lines and only running on propane.
Looking back at it , the best option is to go for a 425 propane kit that replaces the stock carb setup totally.
I'm planning to do that with my other j4000 with Buick engine.
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http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=180974

99' Dodge ram 2500 4x4 crew cab 5.9 Cummins ,backup work truck for now
73' Jeep J4000 (named Heep or Desert Dragon) amc 360 V8 converted to LPG with T15/D20 (was my daily work truck for thirteen years and is getting major overhaul at the moment!)
80' Jeep cj5 350 V8 Chevy/sm420/D300 project
70/71 Jeep J4000 parts truck with Buick 350

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85' Volkswagen caddy mk1 1.6 diesel.
83 Toyota land cruiser BJ42 3.4 diesel.
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Old 07-17-2022, 11:05 AM
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Nice....

I saw to, with propane running so much cleaner, the rigs that use it only need oil change every 15,000 miles, and was still cleaner than most gas engine changes at 3,000.

Big savings there over the miles.

Thinking about so many people wanting to go FI, this might be the only one I would choose to replace my carb with.
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Old 07-17-2022, 04:51 PM
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The engine had a bit more oil consumption when running on propane.
Had to top it off every week but it did run great and only smoking a small bit on the right side exhaust with hot engine at startup.
But that was probably because the valve seals were old.
The oil looked very clean after a couple years of driving it when doing a oil change.
It had sometimes some small hard particles of old backed on oil in the oil filter. (Did cut the oil filter with a sharp knife to check what was going on)
Always used Mann oil filters with a anti drain back valve in it.
It did run smoothly for the most of thirteen years as daily driver.
When it started to run on a couple less cylinders I did a compression test and that made clear that the engine was tired and at its end.
So before completely destroying the engine I parked the 73' j4000
I'm now going for a Cummins Diesel engine with it ,but probably going propane again with the 71' j4000.
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http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=180974

99' Dodge ram 2500 4x4 crew cab 5.9 Cummins ,backup work truck for now
73' Jeep J4000 (named Heep or Desert Dragon) amc 360 V8 converted to LPG with T15/D20 (was my daily work truck for thirteen years and is getting major overhaul at the moment!)
80' Jeep cj5 350 V8 Chevy/sm420/D300 project
70/71 Jeep J4000 parts truck with Buick 350

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83 Toyota land cruiser BJ42 3.4 diesel.
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