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Old 07-26-2007, 08:46 AM
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cj5 body on a waggy chassis?

So anyone here done it? I recieved a FREE cj5 body last night. So I see grand waggysfor sale all the time with v8s and d44s and thought It would be pretty easy to set this body down on another frame. Have the ultimate budget buggie. I know the wheel base will be way longerthan needed, either bring the rear axle forward or hack the fenders and leave it stretched. Well for free i couldn't really pass it up. I may end up parting it out, but would make for a cool rig. Thoughts, ideas?
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Old 07-26-2007, 08:53 AM
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Body will be way too short. You could stratch the bed and go this route:

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=72361&highlight=project+crackpipe
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Old 07-26-2007, 09:08 AM
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Yeah check out Brad's YJ on a 79 Cherokee frame. He stretched the rear of the tub and basically made a YJ scrambler.

This is a way cool rig! I'm sure he'd be more than happy to answer any specific questions you have.
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Old 07-26-2007, 09:15 AM
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I think i like the idea of hacking the back of the frame off. I have seen crazy wheelbase on cj5's before, didn't look to bad.
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Old 07-26-2007, 10:31 AM
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Yeah, but it is more complicated than that. IN order to get the front part to work, you need to move the motor back ~ 4". If you look at the frame of a CJ, it sticks way out past the front of the grill whereas the FSJ frame is fully under the grill. Fitting the rear/hacking it up is the easy part....getting the engine under the CJ hood is the tough part. Reading through the YJ to FSJ scrambler project thread will help you to see all the little gotchas that you are currently overlooking. It would definitely be a tough project though and IMHO is the best way to ensure your FSJ is actually worth something. People pay big bucks for crapped over CJs and pay peanuts for nice FSJs. That is just the way it is.
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:06 AM
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well maybe a blazer, ram charger, or other jeep chassis then. I'm still debating just parting it out.
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:15 AM
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there was a club when i was a kid down by where my father worked, thats all they did was drop cj style jeeps on fullsize frame so it is doable.

i was young so i dont know what they did but they loved it and said it wasnt that hard.
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Old 07-26-2007, 12:20 PM
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I think the FSJ chassis is a great idea. They would be easy to shorten, since they are two parallel rails, unlike a Chevy truck frame. And you have a nice long straight section that would be easy to section and weld back together. As Jode said, the drivetrain is probably going to have to move aft, but that is a minor detail in a project like this. Strength wise, the FSJ frame is head and shoulders above a CJ frame.

I would think you would have to shorten the chassis to get the back wheel under the body at least a little bit. A FSJ has a 109" wheelbase, and a CJ5 at best was 83"(?). Then again, maybe not. All depends on what you want to do with it when you are done.
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Old 07-26-2007, 12:41 PM
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Mud bog racers do it a lot. Longer wheel base allows for better control. So it can be/or has been done.
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Old 07-26-2007, 12:51 PM
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100 to 110 is perfect for a crawler, buddy of mine stretched his cj5 to 100 something inch and it looked great. there are a few waggys on dallas craigslist for around 500 running and driving thats what got me thinkin.

I also like the cj6, front of a 5 and rear of an 8. would be longer too. if i put the rad. in the back, then the grill would just have to fit around the fan. I know its do-able i just don't know if i will want to mess with it. this body is all rusty too. keep the coments and concerns coming making me think.lol
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Old 07-26-2007, 03:20 PM
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The main problem I would see is the distance between the frame rails. The CJ ladder frame is quite a lot narrrower than an FSJ frame, and the rails are going to end up under the front and rear wheel wells.

It's pretty common to put Wagoneer axles under a CJ, but the rear spring perches are moved inward, and the front perches must be outboarded.

Also, CJ bodies seem to be the major component of CJs that are in short supply. You can buy a rolling chassis and drivetrain fairly easily, but an early CJ body must be hunted for. A new CJ body from MD Juan in the PI costs more than 2 grand, and that's made from thin stock and the fit and finish isn't great. A good used body should be worth at least half that, maybe more.

A CJ-5 has an 81" wheelbase before 1972, and 84" from '72 on. You'll have trouble putting a TH400 or TF727 in that chassis - too long. The CJ-7, YJ and TJ have a 94" WB, and an automatic will fit. The CJ-6 is 101" or 104", but they are even more scarce. The CJ-6 has nothing to do with a CJ-8 - it's a CJ-5 with a longer chassis and a 20" body insert - see mine http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~reese/ResizedJeepIPics/ The CJ-6 was discontinued after 1975, and the Scrambler wasn't offered until 1981. A lengthened WB and the Jeep name is all they have in common.

If you want to do this, I'd suggest you look for a YJ or TJ body and cut it down the middle to widen it. Plus, the later bodies are galvanized, and seem to last longer than the frames, so they are out there for cheap maybe.
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Old 07-26-2007, 05:29 PM
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I have a very nice '83 Waggy frame with D44/AMC 20 axles if you might want to buy the works. I'll pull the body off it and can deliver... also have the 727/NP229
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Old 07-28-2007, 08:36 PM
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btt, in case you are interested in my parts rig...
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Old 07-30-2007, 12:59 PM
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A few people above talked about Sittingbull's project "crackpipe". They are right about the huge amount of work he has done on this thing. A lot of wiring had to be spliced the drivetrain had to be moved which required work. After those issues are taken care of you need to build a rollbar/cage. If you are really interested send him a PM and he can give you some more details and let you see some pics.

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