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Old 08-23-2021, 09:33 AM
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70 Wagoneer steel wheels

I have searched and searched and cannot find the correct steel rims for the 1970 Wagoneer. The problem seems to be the hub center size of 108mm/4.25" is way bigger than most steel rims. I found BJ has them for $240 powder coated EACH, but that is way beyond my budget. Where can I find simple 15" steel rims for these old Wagoneers ? They are 5x5.5 bolt pattern. I would take 7" or 8" wide. I just want some simple rims with baby moons on them. Thanks in advance.
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Old 08-23-2021, 11:34 AM
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This is the stock size for your car, is this what you want?
https://www.cokertire.com/wheels/15x...ed-finish.html
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Old 08-23-2021, 12:18 PM
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That could be the right one. I will call them to see what the center hole size is. Thanks.



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This is the stock size for your car, is this what you want?
https://www.cokertire.com/wheels/15x...ed-finish.html
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Old 08-23-2021, 03:32 PM
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I have searched and searched and cannot find the correct steel rims for the 1970 Wagoneer. The problem seems to be the hub center size of 108mm/4.25" is way bigger than most steel rims. I found BJ has them for $240 powder coated EACH, but that is way beyond my budget. Where can I find simple 15" steel rims for these old Wagoneers ? They are 5x5.5 bolt pattern. I would take 7" or 8" wide. I just want some simple rims with baby moons on them. Thanks in advance.
CJ-5 owners are in the same predicament as you. AFAIK there are no off-the-shelf wheels available with the centers that accept hubcaps, the right center hole, and width greater than 6". The '70s CJ Jeeps used a steel wheel with a 6" width that has the proper center hole for a '70 Wagoneer.

I expect BJs is having those wheels made for this application. Thus the price. You could ask at custom wheel builders like Stockton re availability, but I expect you will find a similar price to what BJs is charging.

Jeep supplied an 8" steel Kelsey-Hayes (KH) wheel for the 1970-ish Renegade 1 CJ-5 that was 8" wide. Pretty sure there were a lot of these sold over the Jeep dealership parts counter in the day, since they are more plentiful than the Jeeps they came on. I expect these will have the center you want. These were meant to work with the 10" drum brakes of that CJ, and may not fit over the 11" drum brakes. I am sure they will not work with the finned 11" drums or disk brakes. Also very expensive if you can find some and the seller knows what they have.

The 5-lug aluminum wheels for a CJ would work, and they are 7" wide ($$ if you find some). You can probably find aftermarket aluminum wheels of similar design for less than the custom steel wheels.
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There are more options in 16 inch stock steel rims.
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Old 08-23-2021, 04:24 PM
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Not with a 108mm bore. That is the hard part. Yes I would take 16x8 5x5.5 smoothie rims but finding them with the 108 mm bore seems difficult. And then there is the search for the baby moons that fit that specific rim which seems to be tons of different sizes.







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Old 08-24-2021, 11:18 AM
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Back in the day, they would make wide sand buggy wheels for Jeeps from Ford rims. The would put the wheel centers on a lathe and cut the center hole larger. Without the extra reinforcement of Jeep-specific centers, the webs between the center and the lug holes were weak and could break. Ok for a buggy but maybe not for a daily driver.
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Old 08-24-2021, 03:08 PM
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Yeah, back in the day I use to do a lot of stuff that makes me wonder how I am still alive today. I found the Vision 55 wheels which is like old chevy rally wheel that has a center bore of 108mm. I am about to pull the trigger on them. They aren't solid smoothies but at least I know they will fit and they are 15x8 so a little wider than the 15x7 originals. I wont know the center size for the moons until I get them. It seems all the wheel manufactures have abandoned the phone. Coker doesn't call back, Vision doesn't call back. Vinque doesn't call back ( I decided against them due to bad reviews. ) I hate to even consider the junk yard due to bent rims. I will probably settle for the Vision 55. I can't stomach the $240 a piece for the BJ ones.....The Visions are $65.





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Back in the day, they would make wide sand buggy wheels for Jeeps from Ford rims. The would put the wheel centers on a lathe and cut the center hole larger. Without the extra reinforcement of Jeep-specific centers, the webs between the center and the lug holes were weak and could break. Ok for a buggy but maybe not for a daily driver.
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I suggest looking at rims that came on Ford 4x4's. They had 5 lug hubs into the '80's at least. What about steelies from a CJ? The issue would be the hub caps. I have some 15" steelies on a CJ I'm building and they were not too hard to find.
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The issue is the center bore.
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There are plenty of steel wheels out there that will work, but none of them have the right centers for hub caps. I bought 15x7" Cragar Soft 8 steel wheels for my CJ-6 that would work on an early Wagoneer. Lots of selection of wheels with 4.25" center holes, but none for hub caps.

https://www.cragarwheel.com/wheels/p...ies-397-soft8/

My CJ wheels measure like 4.125" center, and a 6-lug Wagoneer is 3.5". I would suspect that the Ford 4x4 wheels will be 3.5" like the 6-lug Wagoneer.

This is a 15x6" CJ-5 wheel with the right center opening for a closed-knuckle Wagoneer or any CJ or Commando -



Notice how thin the web is between the center hole and the lug holes. This wheel has a rolled-over edge that specifically reinforces this narrow web. BTW this wheel has hubcap nubs, but the turbine caps they sold for the CJ in the day clamped to the inner edge of the rim, not the center. There was a very early (Kaiser era) Red/Gold CJ cap that would work and is a moon type, but they are unobtainium today.
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Old 08-28-2021, 09:34 PM
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Those are exactly the rims that fit the 70 Wagoneer......but really hard to come by. I finally ordered some US Wheel that are 15x8 with the 108 mm/4.25 center. Only problem is....it will be November before I get them. No other option than to wait.





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There are plenty of steel wheels out there that will work, but none of them have the right centers for hub caps. I bought 15x7" Cragar Soft 8 steel wheels for my CJ-6 that would work on an early Wagoneer. Lots of selection of wheels with 4.25" center holes, but none for hub caps.

https://www.cragarwheel.com/wheels/p...ies-397-soft8/

My CJ wheels measure like 4.125" center, and a 6-lug Wagoneer is 3.5". I would suspect that the Ford 4x4 wheels will be 3.5" like the 6-lug Wagoneer.

This is a 15x6" CJ-5 wheel with the right center opening for a closed-knuckle Wagoneer or any CJ or Commando -



Notice how thin the web is between the center hole and the lug holes. This wheel has a rolled-over edge that specifically reinforces this narrow web. BTW this wheel has hubcap nubs, but the turbine caps they sold for the CJ in the day clamped to the inner edge of the rim, not the center. There was a very early (Kaiser era) Red/Gold CJ cap that would work and is a moon type, but they are unobtainium today.
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