International Full Size Jeep Association
Home Forums Reader's Rigs Tech Library Trail Stories FSJ-List
International Full Size Jeep Association  

Go Back   International Full Size Jeep Association > Tire Kickin' > Build Threads

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-14-2020, 12:06 PM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
Rob's 1988 Baltic Blue & Tan Grand Wagoneer Restoration

Background:

I bought the old girl in mid-November of 2019 as a garage project, mostly to keep myself busy over the last winter, and as it turned out, during the ridiculous China virus lockdown scare.

I found it on FB Marketplace, listed by an older woman and her son thru her deceased husband's account. She wanted $2k, but based on pics and videos I told her I'd drive out from Boise with a trailer to her place in Vancouver, WA to inspect it and go from there.

What I saw in person was much worse than I thought I'd find, as it had a hard life, didn't run, and had a lot of interior floor pan rust, non-functioning electrics, and a lot of missing interior bits. We agreed on $1,200, poured gas down the carb, and gunned it onto the trailer before it died.

Apparently it started life in Berkeley, CA, then moved to Arkansas at some point, where I figure it was used as a hunting rig or something.

I'm still plugging away between work, health issues, and just plain old parts scrounging. Anyway, I'll post occasional pics as I continue piecing things together. Enjoy!
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-14-2020, 12:10 PM
SOLSAKS's Avatar
SOLSAKS SOLSAKS is offline
304 AMC
 
Join Date: Jul 25, 2016
Location: Benson. NC
Posts: 1,695
10-4 we look forward to the build.
dave in NC
__________________
SOLSAKS - dave
1976 J-10 HONCHO Fleetside
1982 J-10 Fleetside
1988 grand wagoneer
2004 RUBICON jeep
Benson, NC
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-14-2020, 12:14 PM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
Here she is on the trailer.
Note the badly biffed, and previously replaced, left front fender, the damaged driver side of the grill, and the dented front bumper.
They graciously swapped out the wheels I didn't like and fitted the older GW wheels (with dry-rotted tires).

IMG_20191123_171110 by Robert Stone, on Flickr
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877

Last edited by MysticRob : 09-10-2021 at 10:23 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-14-2020, 12:15 PM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
Quote:
Originally Posted by SOLSAKS
10-4 we look forward to the build.
dave in NC

Thanks, Dave. All the parts you sent me will be in these pics!

Here's a good look at my starting point. Incorrect earlier model-year door panels, destroyed seat upholstery, earlier-model, and broken, driver side seat without headrest, beat up dash, missing gear shift knob, door lock knobs, missing tailgate motor, mold, etc:
67503008_2330705303870846_7668228086223077376_n by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Skulls for gear shifter and door locks. Wrong driver seat (no headrest), broken center arm rest, non-functional dash lights, etc.
67507003_726449021129239_6772135034527678464_n by Robert Stone, on Flickr

No right rear window motor and earlier model year door panel. Window was held 'mostly up' by a piece of wood in the door, which allowed a lot of moisture in over however long it was like that.
74584869_2365235687123201_6550784592029155328_n by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Rear tailgate glass was held up by a strap, as the motor didn't exist. Tailgate had also been hit so rear bumper is slightly bent, and tailgate sheet metal was dented and bottom seam had popped. Scored a good assembly from a part-out a month after I bought the waggy.
65781697_342789046398686_4322004892517400576_n by Robert Stone, on Flickr
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877

Last edited by MysticRob : 09-10-2021 at 10:29 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-14-2020, 12:35 PM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
Taking stock of everything once I got it into the garage. Had a ton of surface rust inside, mold, couple of rust-thru pinholes, and just general corrosion on everything. Both front and rear headliners were missing, figured they succumbed to the elements years ago.

Figured it best to start at the top where water usually gets in, so removed the roof rack, rails, and optional ASC sunroof.
IMG_20191125_183150 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

The optional sunroof. Pain to remove, found some broken bits, but want to keep it. Gunk on bottom of sunroof assembly is spray adhesive, not rust:
IMG_20191125_191004 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Some surface corrosion here and there, but otherwise in good shape.
IMG_20191125_190957 by Robert Stone, on Flickr
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877

Last edited by MysticRob : 09-10-2021 at 10:31 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-14-2020, 12:40 PM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
Cargo area had no carpet, no cargo rails, or fiberboard rib underlay, and a ton of screw holes that definitely were not from the factory cargo rails. Best guess is someone made some homemade tie-down points.
IMG_20191126_151221 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Started with yanking the seats out:
IMG_20191127_092928 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Look, a clean spot!
IMG_20191126_151228 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Carpet kit was trash so just yanked it and tossed it in the trash:
IMG_20191127_094655 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Good look at all the surface rust:
IMG_20191126_171009 by Robert Stone, on Flickr
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877

Last edited by MysticRob : 09-10-2021 at 10:36 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-14-2020, 12:45 PM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
Got tired of constantly pumping up the dry-rotted tires, so scored some used ones on FB for $150. Gave the seller his rims back after removing the good tires from them.
IMG_20191202_182855 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Good tires on the left, old crud on the right still mounted:
IMG_20191203_200437 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Had my wheels and center caps powder coated in semi-gloss black for $210. Too much surface corrosion to want to attempt a repaint, plus this looks meaner:
IMG_20191216_165336 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Finished product after mounting the tires:
IMG_20191217_190418 by Robert Stone, on Flickr
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877

Last edited by MysticRob : 09-10-2021 at 10:38 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-14-2020, 02:17 PM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
A couple more examples of how beat up the old girl was. Driver door panel was water corroded and eaten away at front bottom:
IMG_20191214_110147 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Front passenger door panel was better, but missing trim and was pretty molded:
IMG_20191214_110417 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Most of the cargo area stuff was missing. Scored most of it from ebay, and bought new full ACC carpet kit.
65363237_2357306894590790_5543873434112491520_n by Robert Stone, on Flickr
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877

Last edited by MysticRob : 09-10-2021 at 10:43 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-14-2020, 02:24 PM
SOLSAKS's Avatar
SOLSAKS SOLSAKS is offline
304 AMC
 
Join Date: Jul 25, 2016
Location: Benson. NC
Posts: 1,695
it sure is fun to dig into a new project,...

taking all the worn stuff out,...

discovering this and that,.....

now your mind will be constantly thinking of

what you want to do next, buy next,...etc....

Man, those RIMS LOOK GREAT,.....sounds like a deal for the powder coating.

floor looks solid,.....

dave in NC
__________________
SOLSAKS - dave
1976 J-10 HONCHO Fleetside
1982 J-10 Fleetside
1988 grand wagoneer
2004 RUBICON jeep
Benson, NC
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-14-2020, 03:49 PM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
Quote:
Originally Posted by SOLSAKS
it sure is fun to dig into a new project,...

taking all the worn stuff out,...

discovering this and that,.....

now your mind will be constantly thinking of

what you want to do next, buy next,...etc....

Man, those RIMS LOOK GREAT,.....sounds like a deal for the powder coating.

floor looks solid,.....

dave in NC

No doubt, Dave, always fun to figure out the next steps. 10% military discount for the wheels and center caps. I'll use them again if I have anything else to coat.

Floors had some cratering, but only a couple pinholes thru the metal that needed sanded and welded up. I'll include some pics of the work done there later.
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877

Last edited by MysticRob : 10-14-2020 at 06:44 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-14-2020, 04:15 PM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
Here's the start of a long and slow process to completely strip the paint and rust off the floors:
IMG_20191208_173909 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Another angle:
IMG_20191208_173921 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Still more:
IMG_20191208_173931 by Robert Stone, on Flickr
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877

Last edited by MysticRob : 09-10-2021 at 10:45 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-14-2020, 08:09 PM
SOLSAKS's Avatar
SOLSAKS SOLSAKS is offline
304 AMC
 
Join Date: Jul 25, 2016
Location: Benson. NC
Posts: 1,695
glad the old wagoneer is getting attention,...

it was needing some TLC,....

like rescuing an abandoned dog...

I love doing the floors, its one thing I can do,....

you may have said ,.. but what coating are you planning to use on the floor ?


dave in NC
__________________
SOLSAKS - dave
1976 J-10 HONCHO Fleetside
1982 J-10 Fleetside
1988 grand wagoneer
2004 RUBICON jeep
Benson, NC
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-15-2020, 08:58 AM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
Quote:
Originally Posted by SOLSAKS
glad the old wagoneer is getting attention,...

it was needing some TLC,....

like rescuing an abandoned dog...

I love doing the floors, its one thing I can do,....

you may have said ,.. but what coating are you planning to use on the floor ?

dave in NC

I used 2 types of POR-15 after cleaning and using their metal prep. The passenger area of the floor pan got 1 pint of the silver version with the metal filler that settles into the craters, then I followed up with a quart of the semi-gloss black, which I also used in the rust-free cargo area. I was VERY impressed with this stuff. Filled in the craters nicely and looks like it will last longer than the rest of the Jeep.

Buddy of mine welded in the million different holes in the cargo area, then I sanded and did the POR-15:
IMG_20200201_102840 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Floor welds sanded down, metal prepped, and first coat of black POR-15:
IMG_20200201_215703 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Silver coating with the metal filler in front, where the rust did a crater number on the pan. This is just starting to settle:
IMG_20200220_181833 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

The finished product looks great!
IMG_20200221_163234 by Robert Stone, on Flickr
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877

Last edited by MysticRob : 09-10-2021 at 10:54 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-15-2020, 10:26 AM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
Had to pound out some small dents and deformations in the rear quarters, then began the process of primering both sides:
IMG_20200120_123111 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

IMG_20200120_123055 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

I overdosed on the Kilmat, but it's good stuff and really cuts down on the noise.
IMG_20200120_180358 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

IMG_20200120_194302 by Robert Stone, on Flickr
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877

Last edited by MysticRob : 09-10-2021 at 10:57 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-15-2020, 10:37 AM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
The factory adhesive on the roof support rails had failed so I removed them and began the long process of sanding down the rust and removing the factory adhesive and cleaning up roof rack and rail holes:
IMG_20200105_213638 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

IMG_20200108_214041 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

IMG_20200118_155925 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

I sanded all the rails, then used 3M 08115 Panel Adhesive and Manual Cartridge Applicator 08571 from Amazon to get the rails reattached:
IMG_20200118_164538 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Then I used boards to wedge the rails back up after using the bolt holes to line them up:
IMG_20200118_172624 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Then I used a space heater and blankets to heat the adhesive to over 100* to set it completely so the rails don't break loose again:
IMG_20200118_172904 by Robert Stone, on Flickr
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877

Last edited by MysticRob : 09-10-2021 at 11:03 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-15-2020, 11:59 AM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
Once I got the rails back on and dried I primered the roof for rust protection:
IMG_20200122_190112 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Rolled some more Kilmat onto the roof to keep things insulated and quiet:
IMG_20200124_204537 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Did some detail work and painted the rear speaker frames:
IMG_20200126_164618 by Robert Stone, on Flickr
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877

Last edited by MysticRob : 09-10-2021 at 11:06 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-15-2020, 01:31 PM
cu4whln's Avatar
cu4whln cu4whln is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: May 16, 2008
Location: Canton, Mi USA !
Posts: 1,373
Great progress .. keep at it. All the small steps add up over time.

Cool project.
__________________
It's not yours 'til ya bleed on it . . .

1977 "401" 'Da Chief
1979 Chero: "Madness" [Sold]
1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
2005 Unlimited Rubicon - Built
2001 XJ : Driver - 2016 JK 2 door

'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

"Madness" build here:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=89280
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-15-2020, 01:43 PM
SOLSAKS's Avatar
SOLSAKS SOLSAKS is offline
304 AMC
 
Join Date: Jul 25, 2016
Location: Benson. NC
Posts: 1,695
WOW
love POR-15

a NICE, NEAT PRECISE job on everything

love the photos

you are making a chunk of coal into a diamond.

dave in NC
__________________
SOLSAKS - dave
1976 J-10 HONCHO Fleetside
1982 J-10 Fleetside
1988 grand wagoneer
2004 RUBICON jeep
Benson, NC
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-15-2020, 01:46 PM
SOLSAKS's Avatar
SOLSAKS SOLSAKS is offline
304 AMC
 
Join Date: Jul 25, 2016
Location: Benson. NC
Posts: 1,695
hey man

while you have been in the interior working

have you noticed the
threaded holes further back in roof

near where the back of the back seat would be
but up in roof cavity,....

I used those holes to install 3rd row belts
although they will prob never be used in my lifetime....

I think I remember reading the threaded holes were for a tire carrier ?
can't remember....
__________________
SOLSAKS - dave
1976 J-10 HONCHO Fleetside
1982 J-10 Fleetside
1988 grand wagoneer
2004 RUBICON jeep
Benson, NC
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 10-15-2020, 02:30 PM
MysticRob MysticRob is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2019
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 631
Used new grommet and screw sets to reinstall the roof rack and slats, and followed up with a slathering of flexible gasket maker for water tight integrity:
IMG_20200323_103209 by Robert Stone, on Flickr

Roof rack grommets nicely slopped to avoid water intrusion.
IMG_20200323_103155 by Robert Stone, on Flickr
__________________
--Rob--
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer / Baltic Blue & Tan
2008 BMW 535xi Wagon / Deep Sea Blue & Tan

My build thread:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189245
My Howell TBI Install How-To:
https://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=189877

Last edited by MysticRob : 09-10-2021 at 11:07 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Baltic Blue touch up paint? Mavawreck General FSJ Discussion 5 05-30-2011 08:54 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
corner corner