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Old 12-03-2005, 02:05 PM
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Well, I got the s-10 gear box in this morning, also changed out the left tie rod end at the same time. Took me about 4 hours give or take, and about 3 trips to Autozone.

1. The power steering hose fittings are 18mm, couldn't find 18 mm flare nut but luckily box wrench worked great.

2. Pitman puller needed, the pickle fork no-workie

3. tried to replace rag joint, bought "kit" from AZ but required pressing out two of the fittings and I didn't really have time to mess so I decided it is functional and reused (will keep other for later in case I find myself really bored some day!

4. found it best to loosely attach new gear with bottom two bolts while trying to slide the input coupler on, Haynes says to "hold it up there" (yeah right, like holding up a VW bug while wrestling a greased pig!)

5. I am amazed at how much PS fluid it took to fill the pump and the gear (I had let all the old stuff drain out on purpose). Took an entire large bottle and I think I will end up adding a little more.

TEST DRIVE: drove very very well. Virtually no slop. I think I perceived some but probably because I feel guilty for not replacing rag joint. I shouldn't have any now" new gear, all tie rod ends now tight, new stabilizer bar. The only thing really left is the front leafspring bushings and they aren't that bad and maybe some work on the upper part of the steering input shaft but that isn't too bad either.

Overall worth it. Used the 4x4 S-10 box, rebuilt, got it off Ebay.

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Old 12-03-2005, 02:48 PM
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that's good to hear joe. that's my next project. because, the play in my steering is so bad, it's sort of scary to drive it faster than 25mph.
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Old 12-03-2005, 03:07 PM
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Mike

If you haven't found a source for your gear box I can recommend the vendor I got mine from. They regularly have units on Ebay for $99 plus shipping (cost me $112 total). The address they have posted is aperformance@msn.com

Very well worth the money and I didn't have to worry about getting the core back to them. I haven't decided exactly what to do with the old one, maybe boat anchor.

Good luck

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Old 12-03-2005, 03:25 PM
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Joe, Thanks for the tip. I may just do that.
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Old 12-03-2005, 04:07 PM
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Good to hear, I've got an S-10 Blazer box sitting in my garage waiting to be put on. Can't wait to get rid of the nearly 1/4 turn of slop in my steering.
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Old 12-04-2005, 12:23 AM
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How come you didnt replace it with the correct one whats the benifit of the s10 box??
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Old 12-04-2005, 01:02 AM
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Variable ratio for an improved (tighter) feel, improved seals, and much easier to find in good used condition.
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Old 12-04-2005, 01:22 AM
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How come you didnt replace it with the correct one whats the benifit of the s10 box??
I basically listened to the advice of folks on this forum and went with the s-10 box. Basically just a more modern design with improved longevity. I am planning on moving back to bush Alaska with this rig and need it to tolerate the onslaught of badly rutted gravel roads, cold, etc etc and just want the parts to last as long as they can. I don't want to be rebuilding the original box over and over and that's what it sounds like needs to be done with the original.

The only "downside" that might be said is that the s-10 box only has three bolt holes to hold it on and original has 4 but when torqued properly it looks like this thing isn't going anywhwere.

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Old 12-04-2005, 02:47 AM
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Joe, you can sell your box to the XJ guys, they are using them for more assist with large tires.
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Old 12-04-2005, 05:12 AM
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XJ guys would even benefit from the S10 box.... moreso since like Joe said... its a updated box... they work great....
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with only having 3 bolts to secure the box to the frame, is there any need to brace it?
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:01 AM
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Mike,

Not trying to promote here, but I havent had time to update our site...and they are not advertised as of yet... R&D and tests are over....

for those concerned with the mounting strength differences between the 3 and 4 hole boxes there is a steering box brace...





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Old 12-04-2005, 06:43 AM
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Todd, I believe I saw those posted by you or Tad on the FSJ Network. I was just wondering if there is a real need to brace it. Has anybody watched the box while a buddy was turning the wheels to watch for movement?
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Old 12-04-2005, 07:08 AM
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Well... for peace of mind... its a good idea... for larger tires, its even more reassuring... especially for the S10 box swap.
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Old 12-04-2005, 07:59 AM
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I'll just add for Mike and others.
We don't see the constant frame cracking around the steering boxes like the GM folks do, one of our Jeep's better designed features I guess you could call it especially when you get to what I would call the newer, rounded & boxed frames, '74-75 and up.

For me it was great as I have a scabbed together mount some PO added from a newer rig, onto what I call the older, square boxed frames. It eliminated some vibration I would get in corners and overall gave it a better/tighter feel.

rstep and zulu made up the 3rd, 4th and 5th test rigs (zulu has one on a J20 and one on a WTChero, rstep has one on a 4dr Chero).

I'll let them add their own conclusions, I prefer not to speak for others.
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Old 12-04-2005, 10:17 AM
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Don't forget Tahnka has got a prototype as well...

For larger tires, its a peace of mind for me running the S10 box... gives the extra support that may be lost with 3 bolts vice 4...

Here is a solo view...



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Old 12-04-2005, 06:09 PM
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by larger tires, what do you mean? I just put on some 30 x 9.5s. These aren't much bigger and I plan to stick to pavement and rather tame gravel roads, no real off-roading at least not regularly. If I can get by without adding anything else right now I would rather not put a brace on, but if my steering is going to be unsafe I would reconsider.

Thank you guys (nothing is ever as simple as it seems, even if it really isn't simple to start with)

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Old 12-04-2005, 11:34 PM
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By larger tires they are refering to over 31's I believe, on my 77 I have a brace and with the 31's not much difference on the street for me.Off road is where I can feel a difference as said earlier just reashurence with it there,in the case of my rig I have the stock gear box that I rebuilt and and ARG pump and no slop or steering issues since doing the steering.
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Old 12-05-2005, 02:45 AM
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The steering box in my J20 is also starting to go. What year S10 are you using?
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Old 12-05-2005, 02:55 AM
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i believe it is 96 and later and from a 4wd s10 or gmc s15.
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