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Old 12-03-2012, 07:22 PM
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Cargo/Door Panels

I know there is a lot of talk about panels and I have read most of them. I think I am going with luan. I worked for a large company that customized vans and that is what they used to make the interior custom walls and panels. It is easy to work with.

My question is about thickness. The original cardboard panels measure 8-9 tenths of an inch. The luan I found is 0.106 per inch or about 1/8". Is that enough difference to worry about?

Secondly, on the original board, the clips were riveted on there. How did you guys handle that? Did you go back with rivets or is there an easier technique?

I have some thin foam material, is it necessary or helpful to add that to the panel before the carpet or will just carpet (like stock) be just fine?

I may change the wire spring clips to something better but that is not a major issue looking forward.
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:04 PM
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First things first.

I built my first setof panels out of Luan & had a tough time fitting them. They are thicker & if you plan on using padding the handles become an issue. I removed them & sent the truck out to paint & body. When I got the truck back & went to put them on the had bowed & warped. I urethaned both sides but they warped anyway. So I went to Home Depot & bought masonite that was perfect thickness & re-did them & lived happily ever after. If I would have put them on there is not doubt moisture would have caught up with me. The it came to me why they don't make wooden floor boards like in model a's & wood truck beds like in 50's truck wood & vehicles don't mix. Even jeep was smart enough to make their wood out of plastic.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:00 AM
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Masonite is what my father-in-law uses on all the custom interiors he does. He owns his own hot rod shop.
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:58 AM
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Well....ok, I will revisit the Masonite angle once again.

How about the other questions related to the clips and rivets? Any experience with a foam backing (cargo panels not doors) or just straight carpet?
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:57 AM
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I actually pick up several sets from donors one I bought the rest we junk yarders.

Crist Clapper has posted info for some of them search the threads for it. Or Pm Crist.

you could cheat you know. also Men In Black sells them in masonite.

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ght=door+clips

http://www.ebay.com/itm/83-91-Jeep-Grand-Wagoneer-Cargo-Area-Carpet-Panels-Cargo-Side-Boards-Tailgate-/400337416033?fits=Model:Wagoneer&hash=item5d35f82f 61&item=400337416033&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Acc essories&vxp=mtr

I did change mine from the steel since theytend to squeak to the nylon one like on th edoor panel. I made a pattrn & used a roto Zip to create mounting holes. Beware when buying ongs like are in the link I/m going to attach some are plastic some are nylon send the time to make sure you get nylon. The cheaper ones tend to break & are less forgiving. these are an examl;e of what not to get. these are easy to find Year one LMC etc all have them.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/84-96-Jeep-4-Door-Cherokee-Wagoneer-OEM-Door-Panel-Fastener-Set-12-NEW-Origin-/110870999774?fits=Model:Wagoneer&hash=item19d06d32 de&item=110870999774&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Acc essories&vxp=mtr
EDIT: Did the Homework searched under door clips is very useful!!!!!!!!!

http://www.clipsandfasteners.com/Default.asp
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:16 AM
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Tim, I don't have any tips, but I'll be watching closely so I can see what you figure out.....as usual

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EDIT: Did the Homework searched under door clips is very useful!!!!!!!!!

http://www.clipsandfasteners.com/Default.asp

I've ordered stuff from them before and was real happy with their products and service.
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:25 AM
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I have used a thin Baltic birch plywood product. It is a metric product. and is less than 1/8"Not a lot but a little more expensive than Masonite, or Luan.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:28 AM
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You have to use a Forstner bit or a outside cutting bit to drill a hole
in Masonite. A normal drill will blowout the back side.

I like to use ABS or foam PVC board, PVC comes in a few different colors.

You can use Push pins or Christmas tree to hold the panels in place.

The Christmas trees can go under the carpet and are hidden.

Here are a few types of Auveco retainers

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I had a local boat upholsterer make my door panels. He had a black cardboard like material that was used in boats that was waterproof. I believe he said it came in 4' by 8' sheets. (same thickness as stock)

Might be another avenue...
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:42 AM
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I had a local boat upholsterer make my door panels. He had a black cardboard like material that was used in boats that was waterproof. I believe he said it came in 4' by 8' sheets. (same thickness as stock)

Might be another avenue...

Thanks, I will see if I can find some info on that material.
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:00 AM
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I searched around and found the material I am going to use. It was not labeled Masonite so I am not sure what it is. It is called Hardboard.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_15483-46498-SS1254825_4294715692__?productId=3014304&Ns=p_prod uct_avg_rating|1&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNs%3Dp_product _avg_rating%7C1&facetInfo=

I cut a few panels last night and it cuts well. I drilled some holes and its fine in that regard. It is easy to sand the edges smooth also. Putting the holes for the retaining clips in was easy as well. Drill a hole and use a rat tail file to achieve the proper size and shape.

This is my question now, what size staples to use? The smallest I can find is 1/4" and they poke through a tad. Do they make 1/8" staples?
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:42 AM
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there is a special staple gun that is used for that it causes the staples ends to start turning as they leave the gun. Most interior shops use glue these days
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I searched around and found the material I am going to use. It was not labeled Masonite so I am not sure what it is. It is called Hardboard.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_15483-46498-SS1254825_4294715692__?productId=3014304&Ns=p_prod uct_avg_rating|1&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNs%3Dp_product _avg_rating%7C1&facetInfo=

I cut a few panels last night and it cuts well. I drilled some holes and its fine in that regard. It is easy to sand the edges smooth also. Putting the holes for the retaining clips in was easy as well. Drill a hole and use a rat tail file to achieve the proper size and shape.

This is my question now, what size staples to use? The smallest I can find is 1/4" and they poke through a tad. Do they make 1/8" staples?


It's exactly the same as masonite a roto zip or the Harbor freight facsimile will do the holes nicely. A heavy duty staple gun will work on them I used contact cement. I used 2 1x4 & c clamps & did 2 sides at a time. Clamped the 1x4's down for an hour then did the other sides it work well.


Duo fast has 1/4" staples But you have to have the right stapler for them.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:31 PM
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Ok, thanks. I will use cement, I guess. I am not going out and buying a special gun. I can probably use a few staples on the corners where the material will be the thickest.

Good tip on the rotozip. I have on, just need to swing by and get some blade thing-a-magigs.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:27 PM
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To give this thread an end for those who may search later, I will show the results.

I traced the old panels and using a jig saw I cut a new panel. I used a sanding block to square everything up. Then drilled holes and used a rat tail file to complete the holes for the spring clips. I replaced the rivets on the metal clips with screws. I then sprayed contact adhesive on the board and material and folded over to secure. I did use a few 1/4" staples on the corners where the material was thickest. I had plenty of left over sound/temp material left over so I cut a piece that would fit only on the inside of the panel and not interfere with the area where it mounts.









Sorry about the final pic. I thought I uploaded a better shot. Anyway, it was all pretty straight forward and looks good. I have 5 more panels to go.
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Mine are made from ABS plastic. I bought them from a member on here a couple of years ago. They came with all the holes and fittings pre cut so I was able to use OEM door pulls, power features, etc. I covered them in the padding and then vinyl material to match my Cordovan interior. They are attached to the doors with upholstery screws. Looks pretty good and I expect they will hold up nicely compared to the OEM carboard type panels.
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