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Old 09-05-2011, 03:09 PM
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The Woodgrain Comparison ...

As we all know the original "Di-Noc" stuff is hard to get and so there are some replacements in the market.
If you are interested in buying some woodgrain the best way is to order a sample because the reproductions differ in color, woodgrain and gloss.
However I would have been glad to see some pictures before to have an idea of what is interesting or not.

So this might be a help for others:
(Please have in mind that the foto does not show the
real color. Read my comments on this)

Phonixx G. Cherry Oak:

- thickness and gloss like original
- woodgrain not original but good looking
- not compared to original chery but to light for marine teak




Phonixx G. Marine Teak:

- thickness and gloss like original
- woodgrain not original but good looking
- darker as original but acceptable





From left to right:

Auto Trim Design "Marine Teak":

- thickness and gloss like original
- woodgrain original and good looking (digital reprint)
- much darker as original and ugly green shine

Stripeman "Marine Teak":

- thinner and less gloss like original
- woodgrain original and good looking (digital reprint)
- darker as original but good looking

Stripeman "Walnut":

- thinner and less gloss like original
- woodgrain not original but good looking
- the color is different but matches somehow

Auto Trim Design "Chery Oak":

- thickness and gloss like original
- woodgrain original and good looking (digital reprint)
- darker as original but matches much better as on the foto (compared to Marine Teak!)




Different view:



For the moment:

My favorites are Auto Trims "Chery Oak" (precut) also as replacement for original "Marine Teak" and Stripemans
"Marine Teak".
But all replacements are far away from the original stuff.

I hope to receive the samples from Metro Redesign next week. So let´s wait and see.

Greetings,
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Old 09-05-2011, 04:20 PM
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Gunnar-

Very nice...thanks for posting this. Short of an exact match, it'd be nice to see the Cherry Oak "grain", with the Stripemans color.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:00 PM
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Di-Noc

Now, we need to see also Metro Restyling's Di-Noc.
I ordered samples of both marine and cherry, but I have feeling it will come without being laminated. (You have to pay extra and special order for laminate.)

Crist, any thoughts?

There is also a guy in Florida (Hileah, I believe) named Nelson who does pre-cut kits. He uses a digital, not sure who from.


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Old 09-05-2011, 06:01 PM
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Nice resourcing work Gunnar! I appreciate the effort it takes. I can remember my samples draped all-over my GW. So I had to chuckle when I first read and viewed this post... A familiar experience!

Backing up a bit... Why are you replacing your wrap? As it looks good in the photographs. Are you replacing the trim also?

Just me being curious...
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Phonixx?

So what is "Phonixx"? Did a search and nothing came up.
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Old 09-05-2011, 08:31 PM
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Crist?

what did you decide to go with?
the problem definitely is the trim?
Has anyone tried "renewing" existing?
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Old 09-05-2011, 08:39 PM
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Hey ! thanks for the effort I already bought and installed my BJ's cherry oak... thanks again for sharing

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Old 09-06-2011, 09:27 AM
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Hello,
thank you for all your replys.

@ Rich88: Phoenixx means www.phoenixgraphix.com .

Unfortunately "stripeman" did not send the chery oak within the sample set
and I´m not willing to order complete sheet due to costs.
The same problem was with Phoenix Graphix. You have to order: No email contact, no phonenumber, no samples.

As a real "stocker" I am not really happy with the look of any reproduction.
So my next try will be to remove all dents from the doors by a dent doctor.
Some minor damage will be filled and painted with a small brush.
The total condition of my woodgrain is fortunately not so bad.

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I came to the same conclusion. No fading and minimal imperfections on mine. And although there may be a good replacement for the flat woodgrain panels... I have never seen a non-obvious replacement/re-application of the woodgrain trim.

The challenge then became/becomes finding someone who would paint my GW with the woodgrain/trim on. After a long search... I found a restoration guy that did it. But he said he would never do another one!

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Hello,
thank you for all your replys.

@ Rich88: Phoenixx means www.phoenixgraphix.com .

Unfortunately "stripeman" did not send the chery oak within the sample set
and I´m not willing to order complete sheet due to costs.
The same problem was with Phoenix Graphix. You have to order: No email contact, no phonenumber, no samples.

As a real "stocker" I am not really happy with the look of any reproduction.
So my next try will be to remove all dents from the doors by a dent doctor.
Some minor damage will be filled and painted with a small brush.
The total condition of my woodgrain is fortunately not so bad.

Greetings,
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Old 11-11-2011, 04:29 PM
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So here comes part 2 of my comparison:

We see from left to right

- Metro Restyling "Chery Teak"
- Metro Restyling "Marine Teak"
- Sharpline Converting Inc. "Marine Teak" top
- Sharpline Converting Inc. "Chery Oak" bottom








Sharpline "Marine Teak" (top) is a digital reproduction.
It has gloss, good woodgrain but wrong color and the foil is very thin but
supplied by 3M.

Sharpline "Chery Oak" (bottom) is lighter and also don´t work as a replacement for OEM "Marine Teak".
Same material as above.







Metro Restyling "Marine Teak" is an actual 3M Dinoc product.
Nice matching color with similar woodgrain.
Very high quality foil, very strong but no gloss and grained surface.
However this is a really nice way to go!







This is Metro Restyling "Chery Teak", also a 3M Dinoc Foil (as above).
The "Chery" is to light as a "Marine Teak" replacement but might work for
earlier years.







Finally my favority:

OEM 3M Dinoc from Jeep/Chrysler





Hope this helps to make your decision

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Thanks again Gunnar! So you were able to purchase OEM 3M Dinoc from Jeep/Chrysler? If so, where did you get it? I thought I was the only one who has an original roll!
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WOW ! That OEM 3M Dinoc is like the holy grail for us marine teak folks, where on Earth did you get it (insert DROOL smiley here)? Great information here; this comparison is priceless and should probably be a sticky. Thank you for doing all this hard work for us!
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Metro restyling

I would not be too quick to judge any of these colors. If you think they are good quality. Rather, I would first decide what color paint I was going with.

The Marine teak looks fabulous on my Metallic green. But If I had a copper colored or maroon colored waggie I might want some of the other tints. If your eye picked up hints of the paint color in the trim it would ...Sing together in harmony I agree I hope someone comes up with a more accurate reproduction trim.

Breathe...be creative.





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WOW ! That OEM 3M Dinoc is like the holy grail for us marine teak folks, where on Earth did you get it (insert DROOL smiley here)? Great information here; this comparison is priceless and should probably be a sticky. Thank you for doing all this hard work for us!
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I would not be too quick to judge any of these colors. If you think they are good quality. Rather, I would first decide what color paint I was going with.

Breathe...be creative.

That was just my personal opinion.
Everybody should chose his own favorite...


@crist and grandwag: Yes I found a roll in Switzerland, maybe it was the last one in Europe...
However it helps to redo my roof rails and I have some spare in case of
damaging any panel. Good to know...

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Ach du Liebe! Was Kostet die letzte Rolle' You did a very thorough job and I think this should be a sticky posty for permanent reference so everyone can see the different tints as they are definately major color differences between them. Also major differences in gloss. Good Job!




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That was just my personal opinion.
Everybody should chose his own favorite...


@crist and grandwag: Yes I found a roll in Switzerland, maybe it was the last one in Europe...
However it helps to redo my roof rails and I have some spare in case of
damaging any panel. Good to know...

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@crist and grandwag: Yes I found a roll in Switzerland, maybe it was the last one in Europe...

i got myself a 9m long roll too
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i got myself a 9m long roll too

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Great post and rather timely considering what happened to my baby yesterday...

My all-original '85 w/ only 22K miles got one heck of a door ding on the drivers door yesterday (happened in a parking lot and I have no idea who the culprit was). The ding is more of a crease that stretches almost 6". I am pretty sure Dent Doctor will be able to massage out the ding, but the bad news is the woodgrain. The woodgrain on the door is ruined - there is a 6" gash with frayed edges all the way through to the paint. The woodgrain is beyond repair.

All my other panels are original and are in mint condition. So now what... I won't even consider replacing all the panels with new material. Of course the best solution would be to find enough OEM material to do just the drivers door, but that seems highly unlikely. However, if anyone has or knows of a source for OEM Cherry Oak, I am willing pay $$$$$$. Send me a PM...

I've ordered some samples from a few of the vendors listed above to perform my own comparison. Maybe something will do... skeptical...

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Great post and rather timely considering what happened to my baby yesterday...

My all-original '85 w/ only 22K miles got one heck of a door ding on the drivers door yesterday (happened in a parking lot and I have no idea who the culprit was). The ding is more of a crease that stretches almost 6". I am pretty sure Dent Doctor will be able to massage out the ding, but the bad news is the woodgrain. The woodgrain on the door is ruined - there is a 6" gash with frayed edges all the way through to the paint. The woodgrain is beyond repair.

All my other panels are original and are in mint condition. So now what... I won't even consider replacing all the panels with new material. Of course the best solution would be to find enough OEM material to do just the drivers door, but that seems highly unlikely. However, if anyone has or knows of a source for OEM Cherry Oak, I am willing pay $$$$$$. Send me a PM...

I've ordered some samples from a few of the vendors listed above to perform my own comparison. Maybe something will do... skeptical...

Any other ideas?

Maybe you could find a door with original woodgrain in good condition, doesnt matter if its different color just paint it.
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WOW, thanks! I have a '91 so I'm sure I'll be looking for this stuff at some point. I also saw they have brushed metal vinyl- I've always wondered what a GW would look like with brushed aluminum vinyl where the wood would go. I think it could look really cool if you had the right color of GW.
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