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Old 11-24-2021, 08:51 PM
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Help-How to open hood on older FSJ?

My in-laws have an older Cherokee or Wagoneer, early 1970's. I tried to open the hood, but I didn't see an interior hood release handle under the dash. I presume that there is a release that is reached through the grill, but I couldn't find it. The Jeep is in a field with other old vehicles and it is hard to access the hood area. Can anyone tell me how to open the hood? Any photos of the release?


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Old 11-25-2021, 04:45 AM
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Unless it has been modified there is a lever that is accessed through the front. There are a few variations but they are near the center.
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Old 12-01-2021, 07:40 AM
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Where it's at on a 74' Cherokee.... mine at least.


In the hole on top at center, lift up



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Old 12-01-2021, 11:16 AM
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Did a Google search and the other jeep forum shows a couple pictures of the hood latch mechanism from the full size Jeeps.
https://www.fsjnetwork.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13135
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Old 12-01-2021, 12:21 PM
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Did a Google search and the other jeep forum shows a couple pictures of the hood latch mechanism from the full size Jeeps.
https://www.fsjnetwork.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13135
That link won't help the original poster. It shows the later style with an inside cable release. The earlier models have a release lever that's between the hood itself and the "hood bar" that is located above the grille. See MWood65's picture. On my '77 it hinges out, not pushes up.
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Old 12-01-2021, 12:58 PM
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That link won't help the original poster. It shows the later style with an inside cable release. The earlier models have a release lever that's between the hood itself and the "hood bar" that is located above the grille. See MWood65's picture. On my '77 it hinges out, not pushes up.

Yes I know , but from the pictures you can see how everything is in place and get the idea how it works when doing this without a view
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Old 12-06-2021, 02:43 AM
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Thanks Everyone,


I should be good at this point.


I'll try this out next time I am at my wife's work place.


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Old 12-06-2021, 11:40 AM
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On my '77 it hinges out, not pushes up.


That's interesting. Wonder why they changed it, makes no sense to me if it works why change it?
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Old 12-06-2021, 05:57 PM
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Thanks Everybody, I got the hood open today. The latch was in the center of the hood and I lifted up on it.



It is a 1976 Cherokee I believe. I think it has a 360 but not sure of what a 401 would look like. No A/C. It has a 4 speed manual and 4WD. Almost 100k miles.


I have to finish fixing up our 89 Grand Wagoneer before I think about getting the 76 running.


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Old 12-06-2021, 06:36 PM
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Take a look at the Vin, if it has a "Z" engine code, it's 401. Also can check on the side of the block above the motor mount. Displacement is cast in. Even if the code says it is, check the block anyway. I looked at a Z code once, crawled underneath and found a 304.
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Old 12-06-2021, 07:12 PM
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Is the displacement on the driver side or pass side of the block?


There were no Z's on the firewall nameplate.



It is an 8 cylinder.
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Old 12-06-2021, 10:32 PM
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Driver side for sure, maybe both. If no z, And a V8, most likely a 360. Never used the 304 in SJ's, though I've seen engine swaps....block externals are the same for all three.... straight bolt in.

Second digit is the year, for a ' 76, would be a 6. Seventh digit is engine code....N-360, Z-401.
That coding is good from 72-80.
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Is the displacement on the driver side or pass side of the block?


There were no Z's on the firewall nameplate.



It is an 8 cylinder.

Displacement is cast into both sides of the engine block, look behind engine mounts brackets can't miss it.
amc 304/360/401 engines look virtually identical
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Old 12-07-2021, 01:21 PM
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That's interesting. Wonder why they changed it, makes no sense to me if it works why change it?

Probably because you can get more leverage than the lift style, maybe easier to access, since they were becoming more mainstream vehicles.
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Old 12-08-2021, 10:37 AM
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It is a 1976 Cherokee I believe. I think it has a 360 but not sure of what a 401 would look like. No A/C. It has a 4 speed manual and 4WD. Almost 100k miles. ...
Most of these Jeeps were automatics. A 4-speed is particularly appealing to some of us, and avoids some of the issues that the automatic examples can have. They are all 4WD. Note that they also came with a 3-speed floor-shifted manual, which you should not mistake for the truck 4-speed. The 4-speed compound low first - "granny gear" - is a long throw forward, and reverse is to the right and forward.

A 304 was available in '71-72, gone from '73 on. The 304 has an H in the VIN. Almost all of these Jeeps got the 360, either a 2V (N-code) or a 4V (P-code). The transmission type is also in the VIN. Post up the whole VIN and we can advise. If you worry about posting a VIN online, leave off the final 6 digits, which are the sequential serial number.
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Old 12-08-2021, 10:39 AM
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That's interesting. Wonder why they changed it, makes no sense to me if it works why change it?
Not to echo Art, but my guess - the earlier type push-up type was hard to operate. The lever is an improvement.


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Good picture, Reese. I like the side lever myself, but the flat flippers usually worked fine. My '78 has the lever, but I think the '77s and '76 I had all had the flat flipper...all pretty much were just variations operating the same thing in the end. Don't recall when they went with an inside release, but I think the outside all continued similar even well into the 80s.

In regards to the '76 in this thread, unless anything has been changed, it is almost certainly a 360. I don't believe the 401s ever came *stock* with a 4 speed (only autos and QT for those). The manual trannies all came with Dana 20s in those years (74-79). The three speeds (T-15s are plain jane H pattern shifters). The four speeds (T-18s) all were granny geared in the FSJs that I know of (until '79), but Reverse was indeed up and over to the right through '78. I think it moved over and down to the right for the '79 models (much better position as you are less likely to miss 3rd gear going up and and hit R accidentally). It's still good to do the engine and stamp coding to make sure...as anything could be different at this point in time. Always best to know exactly what you're looking at.
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There were some 401s with 4-speeds in 1974, first year. None after that.
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There were some 401s with 4-speeds in 1974, first year. None after that.

Cool. I don't believe I'd run across that info before. So many little exceptions and variations from the usual with Jeep that, along with modifications over years, goes to show you can't always say always or never.

My '78 J10....which only had 2 previous owners before me, actually has an '80 engine. My guess is that there was a problem with the engine for the first owner (under warranty yet probably) and he had it replaced and got the current engine ('80) at the time swapped in. Discovered that the first time I went to replace the spark plugs....then checked the engine code.
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