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Old 01-05-2021, 06:42 PM
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Seat Upholstery Later Model Grand Wagoneers

So I'm getting close to needing a new upholstery kit for both front buckets and the rear bench done for my 88, and I'm looking for options that won't break the bank.

I'd like to keep the seats "kinda mostly" stock as far as patterns and fitment, though I can do without the expensive corduroy cloth inserts and the carpeting on the bottoms and backs of everything.

My local, and highly rated, shop wants $3000 for CLOTH material cut and sewn to the same stock-ish patterns. I'd be looking at $4500 for leather cut and sewn the same way. I'm partial to leather but that cost... oof.

I know Katzkin would sell the entire kit for roughly $1000 on BJ's but I'm partial to something better looking and of higher quality.

Can anyone recommend a shop they've used to get either original, or close to original type patterns done and what they charged you? Examples and contact info would be most appreciated!
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Old 01-06-2021, 01:57 PM
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Well, with the dearth of online options, and lack of informative threads and responses here I may just go with the Katzkin option and have a shop sew some added stitching or horizontal/vertical details into them.

I honestly didn't expect many, if any, responses here since original upholstery is such an expensive and uncommonly purchased item, and I doubt many posters have the cash necessary to duplicate the awesome (but very expensive!) restoration efforts of Norbert or the guys at Wagon Master. I've contacted both of those potential resources and am waiting for responses though.

I'll update this thread if I find an original-looking later model upholstery source that doesn't break the bank!

I ordered Katzkin color samples from BJ's along with a new rear view mirror (I'm missing that) to see what matches best just in case.
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just saw this thread

while I should have been working,....dang you rob.

3, to 4 to 5 grand is a lot

not long ago I saw a super looking entire interior from a wag for sale on flea bay.

a good choice for very durable material is Marine grade vinyl, it is like leather, ( I could be wrong I thought they called it marine grade )

I have a swatch card from BRY-TECH DISTRIBUTORS- the most beautiful high quality vinyl I have ever seen,....

call 800-329-7283 Jacksonville, Florida for a sample book, THE ALLANTE COLLECTION is what you want. my book is 2014.


also,....there is a wagoner on eBay now for 58,000 in Florida.

they had the entire seats done with no corduroy inserts

it is either high quality "doeskin" vinyl or leather

whoever did it was great at sewing.

who knows you may be able to contact the dealer and find out who did it.

there are a lot of Spanish/Latin Americans ( not sure if that is right wording ) folks in Florida who have great skills in auto work especially upholstery

bet a shop like that did them

take a look

I will try to find a link

the wag is charcoal I think
with digital woodgrain decals, I can spot that crap a mile away....
with the pinkish wood trim that is awful,...but a nice wag. photos below
these are not all the shots, but you can tell it is nice work.





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Old 01-06-2021, 03:21 PM
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Ah, this one here:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-Jeep-W...gAAOSw-59f8W3B

That does look good, and I like the extra stitching to break up the slabs of rectangles the Katzkin stuff has.

Custom door panels on that look pretty good too.
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Old 01-06-2021, 03:43 PM
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I know we are talking about upholstery

but I often think:

I can't be the only one who

sees that god awful digital pattern in that woodgrain ?

and the trim,.... FAIL.

I think wagon master has finally got some good looking wood trim.

never have seen thiei digitally reproduced woodgrain vinyl in person,....
sometimes they show photos of OEM vinyl on a wagoneer in their ads to sell the woodgrain decals

then what you get is repro.

but they do show some photos with their kits actually installed in the auctions
I have seen on flea bay.

you can tell by the incorrect way they did the larger sections of woodgrain

pattern in the middle if the decal,....the elongated lobes that join, and repeat..

to me,....3M DINOC marine teak is the only superb woodgrain vinyl right now, but the grain pattern is not like original.

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Old 01-06-2021, 04:19 PM
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I was wondering what you meant by 'digital pattern' but then I looked closer and discovered the woodgrain pattern on those panels gets repeated from front to rear, and on from left to right side on that GW!

That is pretty ridiculous. Dammit, thanks, Dave, now I'm going to always be looking for repeating patterns in the woodgrain. LOL

I may still redo my interior door panel tops with your recommended stuff, since the color match kinda sucks on what I got from TGW.
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Old 01-06-2021, 07:55 PM
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yes, Florida has some very talented people for upholstery refurbishing, no website. A common part on some vintage is the sunvisor that completed falls apart from the inside, the foam turns to powder like our headliner. Also the vinyl degrades and you need a complete overhaul. The sunvisors are rarely swapable.


In Southern California people travel to TJ for upholstery and anything else...
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d@mn those are gorgeous seats
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$3-$4.5k In Boise? That would seem high in So. Cal. Did you shop around or are they the only show in town.

I'd get a few quotes and go back. A job like this they'll always throw out a big number and hope you'll bite. Are you in a hurry? Might help if they can use it to fill in between other jobs.
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Old 01-07-2021, 10:18 AM
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SJTD

right on high balling prices.

.....and as I am sure you all know

sometimes, with all kinds of work,...esp automotive

they hit you with a price that they hope scares the crap out of you,....never to return,.....

and if you accept,......... GRAVY BOAT.

LETANK
didn't cheech and Chong go down to TJ on an herb van ?
Simon and Simon had to go to TJ on a case in the power wagon,....
and Lamont went to TJ with Julio,....fred said, "go ahead",... " have fun in tamale land "
all this happened this week in my TV world.

MYSTICROB
the patterns also repeat in the NOS or OEM marine teak
but, it is done correctly
and usually the repros show where the designer, joined those areas
and some kits, (wagon master?) does not have some of the grain patterns or elements that the original had,
looks like they scanned it, then stretched the image
so you get a continuous wavy pattern and none of the oblong, elongated football shaped areas of grain like OEM.....
bottom line
there is NO beating the original stuff
but it is a crap shoot, because even if it has been in the A/C,....the adhesive has shelf a life.
but the NOS peace I used on my wag door did well.....


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Old 01-07-2021, 12:19 PM
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$3-$4.5k In Boise? That would seem high in So. Cal. Did you shop around or are they the only show in town.

I'd get a few quotes and go back. A job like this they'll always throw out a big number and hope you'll bite. Are you in a hurry? Might help if they can use it to fill in between other jobs.

I've only just started to look, but it doesn't sound "wildly" expensive based on what I'm hearing now. The CCP virus has done a number on leather suppliers, and I'm hearing about supply and demand issues raising costs for the entire cowhide now. Might just be an excuse, but if the raw materials have gone up, so will the final price.

As I said though, I've just started looking and asking around the country so I can afford to wait a while. She's a garage queen at this point while I continue to restore her.
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Old 01-07-2021, 06:09 PM
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You is scaring me. I've just about got my Lexus seats mounted and about ready to have all the seats and panels done. There's two shops in Lompoc where I used to live during the week and one or two in Bishop where we spend some time. Both smallish towns compared to here. I'll compare prices and pics of completed work to here.

I'm not worried about stock appearance. I like the job cu4whln had done a while back and been saving pics of other jobs.

I'll be able to drop everything off to have it done and I'm not in a hurry.

My wife likes fabric like our '98 Dodge has. It's still in near perfect shape after 20 years and 200k. My biggest worry is how to know what to specify for that kid of life. Never seen a redo that holds up like that.
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Old 01-07-2021, 09:36 PM
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Can you get away with just doing the inserts? Back, sides and bottom skirt stay the same they just do the front and seat. I got a ball park quote for about $1000 for that. If it’s really over $3k, I guess I’ll just comb junk yards til something better than mine surfaces. Not that Spokane has a lot of choices.
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Old 01-07-2021, 11:25 PM
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Can you get away with just doing the inserts? Back, sides and bottom skirt stay the same they just do the front and seat. I got a ball park quote for about $1000 for that. If it’s really over $3k, I guess I’ll just comb junk yards til something better than mine surfaces. Not that Spokane has a lot of choices.

My seat covers are just totally ate up. Neither the cloth nor the carpet is in good enough shape to reuse, so I'll just bide my time and figure something out here or elsewhere. I know I can buy the carpet and cloth separately but it's big money just for that material, let alone the labor.

I have some more feelers out and will just wait a while to get enough info to not feel like I'm being taken advantage of anywhere.
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Old 01-08-2021, 12:13 AM
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My seat covers are just totally ate up. Neither the cloth nor the carpet is in good enough shape to reuse, so I'll just bide my time and figure something out here or elsewhere. I know I can buy the carpet and cloth separately but it's big money just for that material, let alone the labor.

I have some more feelers out and will just wait a while to get enough info to not feel like I'm being taken advantage of anywhere.

Your annoying luck with salvage yards etc might continue too! Although, probably super small chance of decent seats surfacing.
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FWIW - I've been quoted $600-1200 for front seats (each), I supply the corduroy for the inserts. Low end of the range was when I lived in Wisconsin, mid-high end of the range is in the Portland, OR area. They all told me the baseball stitching is difficult, and difficult ain't cheap.
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Old 01-08-2021, 01:10 PM
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Your annoying luck with salvage yards etc might continue too! Although, probably super small chance of decent seats surfacing.

Yeah, but I'm thinking all the good luck I've had on this build has been offset by all the health problems.! LOL


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FWIW - I've been quoted $600-1200 for front seats (each), I supply the corduroy for the inserts. Low end of the range was when I lived in Wisconsin, mid-high end of the range is in the Portland, OR area. They all told me the baseball stitching is difficult, and difficult ain't cheap.

I haven't looked close enough to see the stitching on my old rags, but I keep thinking I might go the BJ's Katzkin route in a matching color and just have a shop sew in the correct corduroy cloth inserts that I can source for ~$400 from these guys:

https://www.wagoneerworld.com/parts.php

It certainly would be cheaper than having covers made from scratch, but damn, I sure would like something that looks perfectly original. I've changed my mind on the corduroy cloth, from thinking it wouldn't last very long to thinking it actually holds up very well on most used seats I've seen -- at least better than the surrounding leather!
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Well, I've pretty much resigned myself to just getting the Katzkin covers from BJ's. I do like the idea of not having to buy ~$400 worth of new corduroy cloth (or trying to source decent used cloth), and of having easy-cleaning surfaces on the backs of each seat instead of carpeted sections. Plus if I went more stock I'd have to dye the cloth and backs to match my custom Desert Sand interior color anyway.

I received the Katzkin color samples from BJ's, and the "Parchment" color is a very good match for what I have now -- great blend of my door panel color and the slightly lighter headliner material color.

The stitched rectangular patterns on the Katzkins middle sections are very much like the originals except they're missing the ~1 inch wide side-to-side stitch for some reason (likely cheaper). I might just have a local shop sew that 1" seam into the covers to make it look even closer to factory. The Katzkins are also missing the top and bottom pillowy look but I can do without that anyway.

For ~$1000 TOTAL, it's many 1000s of dollars less than having factory covers remade, plus I haven't even thought about the extra cost of a shop doing the headrests and the center console, all of which are already included in the Katzkin kit.

Also thinking about mixing up the color a bit, like black for the outer bolsters and seat-ends, and parchment for the center sections, which would tie in well with my black carpets, black lower door panels, and desert sand vinyl sections.
My door panels:


What I was thinking about for the color pattern, but with parchment stitching everywhere, even on the black to help tie in that color more and break up the black a bit:
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Glad you chased this all down rob. saves me the time, but a disappointing outcome for sure. Went into a upholstery shop this week as you know and got the same kind of quotes. The auto body shop recommended the katskins too.
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Glad you chased this all down rob. saves me the time, but a disappointing outcome for sure. Went into a upholstery shop this week as you know and got the same kind of quotes. The auto body shop recommended the katskins too.

Well, hopefully it saves someone some time, money, and effort.
From what I've read about Katzkin, the quality and color matching are good, and I've worked out the BJ's options I just ordered below.

Deluxe or Premium Kit (directly from BJ's webpage):
"The Deluxe Kit has leather on the two seating areas of the rear seat, with all else being vinyl. The Premium Kit has leather on both faces, and vinyl on the sides and back. The front seats in both kits have leather on the faces, and vinyl on the sides and back."
I like the idea of matching leather materials on all faces, so chose the Premium Kit. I can live with vinyl on the sides and backs.

Mono vs Multi Colors:
A single color seat cover is rather boring and looks out of place in any vehicle.
Since I'm a big fan of not cooking backsides on black seating surfaces, I went with parchment in the center sections, and black only on the sides, backs, and bottoms. That should both break up the monotony well and still keep things comfortable.

Combo vs Insert:
Only difference here is the color of the front section that's under the knee. The Combo style extends the Parchment color to the very front edge of the seat bottom, and the Insert style doesn't extend it (Insert = that random seat pic I posted below my door panel pic). To avoid cooking legs I went with the Combo style with Parchment all the way to the seat bottom edge.

Different Color Stitching vs Piping:
Most different color piping just looks too gaudy to me, isn't subtle or tasteful, and delineates the different colored sections instead of serving to blend them together, so I'll go with Parchment stitching everywhere.

Perforated vs Solid Combo (centers):
Perforated leather seating surfaces breath and grip better so that's an easy choice -- Perforated Combo it is, all the way from the mid-back to under the knees.

Total cost was $1010 shipped to the door. I received my BJ's order #, I'll check back in here with an estimated arrival date when I have one.
I chose Paypal Credit since I like the idea of breaking up payments over 6 months and accruing no interest charges at all.
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