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  • AKjeeper
    232 I6
    • Feb 03, 2012
    • 145

    Spools for waggy D44's?

    Do they offer a Spool for a dana 44 or should I just weld the rear?. I got a $600 waggy and I am not dropping the money for a Detroit. I actually have driven a welded rear truck and I also had a Detroit and the welded rear was atleast a bit more predictable. If you keep the tire pressures equal then usually you are just fine.
    86 Waggy, Rear home brew shackle flip, front add-a-leaf and Chevy shackles, fender trim, WARN M8000, Lincoln locked rear, 15x10 rims and 33x12.50 Muds, 3.54 cogs
  • srobertsfsj
    304 AMC
    • Aug 26, 2002
    • 1750

    #2
    I ran a mini-spool in my 74 for years with no issues with 34" LTB's. I got mine from Randy's Ring and Pinion.

    RANDYS Worldwide is the leading supplier in the United States for differential gears, axles, installation kits, small parts, tools, lockers, limited slips, drivelines, and more.
    Scott R.

    '86 Grand Wagoneer Super Chief 360 / TBI / WT conversion / 35x12.5x16 BFG Mud-Terrains (Project Link)
    http://www.cfsja.org / http://www.fsjnetwork.com

    "After years of being paranoid about my Jeep?s temp going towards that 220F mark, I?m realizing that if it was real problem, Jeep engineers would have painted that area RED." - FSJ Guy




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    • srobertsfsj
      304 AMC
      • Aug 26, 2002
      • 1750

      #3
      This one here.

      RANDYS Worldwide is the leading supplier in the United States for differential gears, axles, installation kits, small parts, tools, lockers, limited slips, drivelines, and more.
      Scott R.

      '86 Grand Wagoneer Super Chief 360 / TBI / WT conversion / 35x12.5x16 BFG Mud-Terrains (Project Link)
      http://www.cfsja.org / http://www.fsjnetwork.com

      "After years of being paranoid about my Jeep?s temp going towards that 220F mark, I?m realizing that if it was real problem, Jeep engineers would have painted that area RED." - FSJ Guy




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      • srobertsfsj
        304 AMC
        • Aug 26, 2002
        • 1750

        #4
        Full spool not a bad price either.

        RANDYS Worldwide is the leading supplier in the United States for differential gears, axles, installation kits, small parts, tools, lockers, limited slips, drivelines, and more.
        Scott R.

        '86 Grand Wagoneer Super Chief 360 / TBI / WT conversion / 35x12.5x16 BFG Mud-Terrains (Project Link)
        http://www.cfsja.org / http://www.fsjnetwork.com

        "After years of being paranoid about my Jeep?s temp going towards that 220F mark, I?m realizing that if it was real problem, Jeep engineers would have painted that area RED." - FSJ Guy




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        • AKjeeper
          232 I6
          • Feb 03, 2012
          • 145

          #5
          Thats awesome, great price. Im going to be running 35" tires MAX, maybe even 33" tires so I think if I use my head I wont break to much being locked up. I ran a dana 44 front axle on 38" tires with an ARB and didnt break anything on a Suburban(did have chromo shafts and CTM joints however). SO another question, I can lock up the front also as long as I install manual hubs correct?. I wouldnt wanna be running around with fulltime hubs and a locked front diff. Anyone have any hub reccomendations for my 86 Grand waggy up front?.
          86 Waggy, Rear home brew shackle flip, front add-a-leaf and Chevy shackles, fender trim, WARN M8000, Lincoln locked rear, 15x10 rims and 33x12.50 Muds, 3.54 cogs

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          • srobertsfsj
            304 AMC
            • Aug 26, 2002
            • 1750

            #6
            I am certainly not the expert but I don't think you can't run manual hubs unlocked on a NP228. I think it would damage the internals but if you swapped to a NP208 it would work. That is my plan, eventually. Others will chime in for sure. As far as putting a spool in the front with unlocked hubs, I don't see why not.

            Edit: sorry i put "can" instead of "can't". I don't know why I do that sometimes. I am getting old...
            Last edited by srobertsfsj; 02-14-2012, 06:16 AM.
            Scott R.

            '86 Grand Wagoneer Super Chief 360 / TBI / WT conversion / 35x12.5x16 BFG Mud-Terrains (Project Link)
            http://www.cfsja.org / http://www.fsjnetwork.com

            "After years of being paranoid about my Jeep?s temp going towards that 220F mark, I?m realizing that if it was real problem, Jeep engineers would have painted that area RED." - FSJ Guy




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            • misfittom138
              350 Buick
              • Dec 19, 2007
              • 1492

              #7
              I'm welded up front and locked out back with hubs and np208 and 37" tires. Works great so far for the last 4 years.
              81 Wagoneer 360/727/208, lockrite rear/welded front,4.10s, 7"SOA/shackle flip,3" body,OBA,37" Iroks,chopped,caged,highsteer,hydro assist....

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              • jeeping1974
                360 AMC
                • Jun 17, 2007
                • 3066

                #8
                If your welding skills are good, I say weld it. If not and you can find a full spool, throw that in there instead.
                03 GMC 2500HD - DD/toy hauler
                06 Street Glide - Cruiser

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                • CutterN55
                  350 Buick
                  • Mar 09, 2009
                  • 1141

                  #9
                  Welp...I just limped it home. Apparently spools don't like Dana44's and 36's. I've got two holes on my rear diff cover. I ran up to the parts store to buy a battery and I heard teeth break as I turned in. Got out, saw the stream of gear oil pouring out and jumpd back in and took the most direct route home. Dang-it! I was running 4.10 thick gears. I'll pull the diff cover off and check it out later. I knew I was pushing the limits...
                  ROMANS 12:1-2

                  Military guys- Check out www.MilitaryJeepers.com

                  '89 GW deceased
                  Ford 4spd swap Np435/205
                  Lifted/stretched on 36's/4.10 thick gears/spooled rear

                  '86 CJ-7 Renegade, Restored, original steel.
                  new Built TBI 258/Np435/D300 twin-sticks/Waggy D44's
                  37" Super Swampers and lots of goodies!

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                  • trickc
                    304 AMC
                    • Nov 29, 2000
                    • 2237

                    #10
                    Originally posted by CutterN55
                    Welp...I just limped it home. Apparently spools don't like Dana44's and 36's. I've got two holes on my rear diff cover. I ran up to the parts store to buy a battery and I heard teeth break as I turned in. Got out, saw the stream of gear oil pouring out and jumpd back in and took the most direct route home. Dang-it! I was running 4.10 thick gears. I'll pull the diff cover off and check it out later. I knew I was pushing the limits...
                    As a counter to this Ive been running 36's on a rear 44 for 10 years now, only related problem was low gear oil took out some bearings but that was most likely my own fault. I discovered I had a front diff cover on the rear which put the fill plug so low it wasn't lubricating properly, have since corrected and not had any problems. Mine is welded BTW.
                    73 j-4000 "buttercup"-SOA 36's 4 door cab


                    78 wagoneer choptop-SOA 36's, 6 point cage, blah blah blah

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                    • CutterN55
                      350 Buick
                      • Mar 09, 2009
                      • 1141

                      #11
                      Well I figured mine out. The shop that installed the spool didn't loc-tite the ring gear bolts and they started to back out. One came all the way out and got eaten by the ring gear. Lost a couple teeth on the ring gear. Pinion gear looks okay. I'm going to call the shop and see what they can do....
                      ROMANS 12:1-2

                      Military guys- Check out www.MilitaryJeepers.com

                      '89 GW deceased
                      Ford 4spd swap Np435/205
                      Lifted/stretched on 36's/4.10 thick gears/spooled rear

                      '86 CJ-7 Renegade, Restored, original steel.
                      new Built TBI 258/Np435/D300 twin-sticks/Waggy D44's
                      37" Super Swampers and lots of goodies!

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                      • fulsizjeep
                        Señor Jackhead
                        • Aug 21, 2002
                        • 22496

                        #12
                        Originally posted by CutterN55
                        Well I figured mine out. The shop that installed the spool didn't loc-tite the ring gear bolts and they started to back out. One came all the way out and got eaten by the ring gear. Lost a couple teeth on the ring gear. Pinion gear looks okay. I'm going to call the shop and see what they can do....
                        Ouch! From my side of the street it looks like they can install a new R&P for you.
                        Flint
                        Ran when parked.
                        http://jubileejeeps.org/quadratrac
                        88 GW, 401/727/208, 5" lift, D44s/4.10s/locked up, 35s with a few Evil Twin & TT's Fabworks mods
                        76 401 Wag, 77 401 Wag, 77 401 J20
                        http://eviltwinfab.com http://www.ttsfabworks.com

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                        • fulsizjeep
                          Señor Jackhead
                          • Aug 21, 2002
                          • 22496

                          #13
                          Originally posted by srobertsfsj
                          Hey Scott, I am curious: Did you use a hardened cross shaft in that mini-spool?
                          Flint
                          Ran when parked.
                          http://jubileejeeps.org/quadratrac
                          88 GW, 401/727/208, 5" lift, D44s/4.10s/locked up, 35s with a few Evil Twin & TT's Fabworks mods
                          76 401 Wag, 77 401 Wag, 77 401 J20
                          http://eviltwinfab.com http://www.ttsfabworks.com

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                          • srobertsfsj
                            304 AMC
                            • Aug 26, 2002
                            • 1750

                            #14
                            IIRC correctly I used the stock ones out of the D44 carrier. That was a long time ago when I installed it so I may be mistaken. I ran this in the orange 74 on many Moab and Ouray trips as well as Holy Cross and a bunch of CO trails.
                            Scott R.

                            '86 Grand Wagoneer Super Chief 360 / TBI / WT conversion / 35x12.5x16 BFG Mud-Terrains (Project Link)
                            http://www.cfsja.org / http://www.fsjnetwork.com

                            "After years of being paranoid about my Jeep?s temp going towards that 220F mark, I?m realizing that if it was real problem, Jeep engineers would have painted that area RED." - FSJ Guy




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                            • srobertsfsj
                              304 AMC
                              • Aug 26, 2002
                              • 1750

                              #15
                              I also ran bias ply tires which were more forgiving on the trails and on the street. I would think radials would be alot harder on axle shafts with a spool or mini
                              Scott R.

                              '86 Grand Wagoneer Super Chief 360 / TBI / WT conversion / 35x12.5x16 BFG Mud-Terrains (Project Link)
                              http://www.cfsja.org / http://www.fsjnetwork.com

                              "After years of being paranoid about my Jeep?s temp going towards that 220F mark, I?m realizing that if it was real problem, Jeep engineers would have painted that area RED." - FSJ Guy




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