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Old 08-30-2004, 11:57 AM
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Ok all here is my final question I am sort of being forced to start my project early. My new wife doesnt like the wag series so she gave me an ultimatum. Either prove its worth or get rid of it. She is tired of the constant repairs and little things that always go south with it. (I guess I gotta get my vortec engine swap done asap. Here is my question.

I have found a machine shop in my or close enough that has 350 and 454 vortec engines for the same price!!!!!!!!! Anyway the guy asked me whther I wanted a two bolt or four bolt main. I didnt know what the pros and cons of either one were so could any of you help?

What are the pros and cons of two and four bolt mains? Two bolt versus four bolt.

Remember I am building my rig to be the ultimate long distance/comfort/pimp wagoneer... It may need to do some occasional towing but not often and also some light to medium off-roading. (no heavy duty off-roading I have a new cj I just picked up for that!!!!!!)
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Old 08-30-2004, 12:30 PM
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A 4 bolt has 4 bolts on the rear main and a 2 bolt, well has 2. 4 bolts are a little stronger in the bottom end but I wouldn't get too hung up about it if the price is quite a bit different. If they are the same or very near, I'd take the 4 bolt, but a 2 bolt is strong enough. Many good engines are 2 bolts, like Pontiacs for instance, except SD455's.

So there really isn't much of a pro or con either way. There is no con to a 4 bolt or a 2 bolt and the pro for the 4 bolt is it's a little stronger.
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Old 08-30-2004, 12:35 PM
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What year engine? GM had problems with piston slap.
http://www.pistonslap.com/links.htm
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Old 08-30-2004, 01:07 PM
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Old 08-30-2004, 01:16 PM
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It is my understanding that the stock 4 bolt offers nothing more than the 2 bolt except at high rpms. In other words, an off roader and daily driver that does not live much above 5000 rpms would not get any real benefit from a 4 bolt block but it certainly would not hurt anything to have one. All comes down to the price difference.
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Old 08-30-2004, 05:55 PM
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2 Bolt vs. 4 bolt in a street engine is a non issue.
Chevrolet used 4 bolt bolt blocks in trucks mainly,
if given a choice tkae the 4 bolt block, if asked
to pay anything over a few bucks take the 2 bolt
block. For the big question 454 vs. 350, well does
mileage mean much to you ? Do you mind a few more
issues with stuffing it in the slightly to small
hole under the hood ? If no to both go for the 454 !
I will pull a lot harder than a 350.

Think long and hard about the reliability issue
though, any swap is likely to be more unreliable
than the factory setup just because the factory
guys have had time to work out all the issues,
where you are going to have to sort it all out on
the fly.

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Old 08-30-2004, 06:58 PM
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dont matter how many bolts its got the load is in the center of the caps ...........just get the thing running would you ????
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Old 08-30-2004, 10:41 PM
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4 bolt is supposed to be stronger and it's typically worth more money, but you'll never know the difference. I'm running 4 bolt mains in practiacally all my vehicles but that's just because I had them available and wanted to hang on to them so I can sell them to some sucker down the road who "thinks" he needs 4 bolts.

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Old 08-31-2004, 04:11 AM
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Back in '68, Chebby increased the main bearing diameter on the small-block for some fool reason (was it 2.3 to 2.45" -- don't rightly recall). They soon found that the old 2-bolt cap no longer had enough meat on the sides to remain stable at high revs/loads, and devised the 4-bolt patch.

I was racing those motors at the time, regularly spinng the poor things past 9,000 RPM, and noticed that even the new 4-bolt blocks didn't hold up as well as the old ones. I had a guy machine some steel caps with slightly splayed outer bolts (Summers Brothers was doing the same thing at about the same time), and that helped. I later just started using the old small bearing block modified for a similar splayed 4-bolt cap.

Note that this was in the day when GM metallurgy was pretty poor -- just a couple of steps beyond Ford's pig-iron stuff. My first test of main caps back then was to drop them on the floor. The ones that didn't break were worthy of a magnaflux investment. They've improved quite a lot since then.

For your purposes, I'd guess that 4-bolt caps are pretty much irrelavent. They may help keep things more stable in low-rev, very high load conditions, thus extending bearing life a bit -- probably less than just using good synthetic lube. I suppose, given GMs way of doing things, that the 4-bolt blocks might also have other improvements as well, possibly making them more desirable, and probably not worth worring about below 6,000 RPM.

SJ

Disclaimer: All of my experience with SBCs is at least 30 years out of date.
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