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Old 02-21-2010, 03:33 PM
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Vapor separator/filter

I've searched thru the site and the chain stores don't show it it their systems. Does anyone have a part # for this or is there a way to clean them out?

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Old 02-21-2010, 03:36 PM
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Some depending on year have a removable charchol filter that needs cleaning/replacing occasionally.
Help if you said for what year/model/eng Pin it down a bit closer and I can prolly come up with an AMC p/n.
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Old 02-21-2010, 03:52 PM
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Some depending on year have a removable charchol filter that needs cleaning/replacing occasionally.
Help if you said for what year/model/eng Pin it down a bit closer and I can prolly come up with an AMC p/n.

Sorry Joe, this is for the 86 and I am not referring to the vapor canister itself but the filter that looks like a reverse fuel filter going into the vapor canister. I thought it was called a vapor separator but let me know if that is wrong.
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http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=21429

I couldn't find a source anywhere, so I settled for a fuel filter that was setup the same. Have yet to run the Jeep long term to see how it works out...
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I couldn't find a source anywhere, so I settled for a fuel filter that was setup the same. Have yet to run the Jeep long term to see how it works out...

Isn't the point of it to block fuel from getting into the vapor canister and separate out the vapor? You dont want liquid fuel to pass thru it? Im just asking, I am really not sure what the function of it is.
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Well, the vapor separator is connected in line for the carb bowl vent. It collects any accumulated condensed liquid. That vapor is then sucked in through manifold vacuum line attached to the PCV line. In short, manifold vacuum is always present here...it is a measured air bleed. IF you use a fuel filter, the orifice will be significantly larger than the vapor separator (they look the same from the outside...but inside, the vapor separator is a whole lot smaller); so you would be running a decent bit leaner. IF you eliminate it, you will eliminate that air bleed and would be running a bit rich.

This is one of the problems people run into with removal of emissions stuff. the carburetor is jetted to work with all this stuff present. Start eliminating it...and you will need to re-jet. Likewise, your distributor is curved to work with all this stuff present. Generally, removal doesn't impact the advance curve as much...but can lead to pinging (especially removal of the EGR).
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Old 02-22-2010, 09:27 AM
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That's great info TW. I am going to do the vapor canister upgrade and figured I should just replace the trap but I guess I will just leave it for now. It's odd that this part isn't available anymore as I'm sure it was used from (at least) 86 to 91. I understand that a majority of members probably don't have to worry about emissions testing and have probably ripped them out but i would think there is a few people that have wanted to replace them.

Edit: In my research I found that the same part was also used on the XJ in 84 and 85 but it still doesn't show up in a parts search in the major parts store catalogs.
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Paste this link and then look up the applicationhttp://www.framcatalog.com/Application.aspx?b=FFrame Part Number G3583 Product Type In-Line Gasoline Filter Product Height 3.88" Product I.D. 1/4 Tube (Vapor) 5/16 Tube Connector Product O.D. 1.94" Style Code 266 Applications Where Used AMC AMX 4-121CID 2 bbl. (G) [1979-1978]6-232CID 1 bbl. (E) [1979-1978]6-258CID 1 bbl. (A) [1979-1978]6-258CID 2 bbl. (C) [1980-1978]V8-304CID 2 bbl. (H) [1979-1978]Concord 4-121CID 2 bbl. (G) [1979-1978]6-232CID 1 bbl. (E) [1979-1978]6-258CID 1 bbl. (A) [1979-1978]6-258CID 2 bbl. (C) [1981-1978]6-4.2L 2 bbl. (C) [1983-1982]V8-304CID 2 bbl. (H) [1979-1978]V8-360CID 2 bbl. (N) [1978]Eagle 6-258CID 2 bbl. (C) [1981-1980]6-4.2L 2 bbl. (C) [1988-1982]Gremlin 4-121CID 2 bbl. (G) [1978-1977]4-121CID 2 bbl. (K) [1977]6-232CID 1 bbl. (E) [1978-1975]6-258CID 1 bbl. (A) [1978-1975]6-258CID 2 bbl. (C) [1978-1976]V8-304CID 2 bbl. (H) [1978-1975]Hornet 6-232CID 1 bbl. (E) [1977-1975]6-258CID 1 bbl. 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Old 02-22-2010, 10:46 AM
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Frame Part Number G3583Last post messed up.http://www.framcatalog.com/Application.aspx?b=FThis link will give you a place to look up and then has other suppliers numbers.
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Thanks Golddust, that part number is just for a standard fuel filter. Those are easy to get.
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Does this part even go bad?
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I never cut one open but assume they have a rubber seat that a float closes against after the vapor has been removed. Who has one to cut open? I know they are important for the orientation of the upper line.
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From what I have read...their is nothing inside. It is designed to keep condensed liquid fuel from entering the charcoal canister. The design allows the liquid fuel to be sucked into the intake manifold. When no liquid fuel is present, it acts as the low-volume air bleed on the charcoal canister (prior to this, the charcoal canisters had 2-different volumes for purge a low (idle) purge and a higher (faster than idle) purge...after this, the low purge was not tapped in the canister and the vapor separator acted as the low purge). So, the small nipple inside always has manifold vacuum present...no need for any kind of flapper.

To test one other thing, I took my vapor separator and used a hose to suck on the small nipple...and compared it to a fresh fuel filter. There is definitely a huge difference. The small nipple on the vapor separator has a hole that appears to be a touch larger than a pinhole...the fuel filter considerably larger...
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So then, is there or is there not a current part number?? I would think that this particular part went on a lot more than just the Jeep. Perhaps another car/truck, of the same year might have the same part with another P/N that is NOT cross referenced.

Worth a look anyway. I'll start checking it out.
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Just a question to this age old problem of the 'vapor canister/liquid trap'.

I read somewhere that there might have been a 'work around' answer to replacement. Am I correct that there are some charcoal canisters that also take care of this vapor problem?

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Do you need a new liquid trap or a charcoal cannister?
Liquid trap you might still be able to buy as new old stock from specialty places like Kennedy American (if he's still around) or on a ebay etc.
Photo and p/n here http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=181885

Charcoal cannister you'll have to rebuild.

The threads about this have been moved to the archives so they may not show up in a search of the general forums.
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In the engine tech archives there's a thread I started. TWMattox also contributed. Your '86 will probably be like his.
Explainations follow the how to posts including a sketch of the liquid trap.
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