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Old 05-15-2013, 07:27 PM
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You have GOT TO BE KIDDING ME

There's good luck, there's bad luck, and then there's Dr. Marn luck.




Yeah, thats my gas tank. Yeah, thats gas.






Yeah, thats a crack.


I was sitting my truck on jack stands, as i have done numerous times before.This time, however, the jack stand sliped about 1/2" as weight was being applied, and dinged my gas tank.

Now you're thinking "Dumb move buddy"

Well apparently I'm not the first person this happened to. Because directly where my jack stand connected there was this bizarre rubbery substance i never really paid heed to. Apparently this rubber cement looking patch was some type of RTV or gasket maker lovingly applied by some thoughtful previous owner. It was now scraped off forcefully by my stupid jack stand.

Why was there gasket maker on the side of my tank? Well because apparently I'm not the only dumb@ss that owned this jeep in the past. Now that my jack stand had done me the favor of removing this rubbery substance, gas began to flow freely from the side, wait i mean, the absolute bottom side of my gas tank.

Who has 2 thumbs and no empty gas cans? This guy!

I threw some catch buckets under it and scrambled about dumping my jerry cans into various vehicles around the driveway and garage. I got one half empty, ran to the front, disconnected my fuel line to the carb, stuck it in the jerry can, and turned on the electric fuel pump. Thank god for that.

So, as i sat watching my fuel pump race the leak on the tank to see who could spray out more gas first, i kept emptying and rotating cans. About 9 or 10 gallons later, the leak stopped and about 1 gallon after that my pump ran dry.



So, here i sit, now with my truck completely incapacitated due to SEVERAL things.

All i wanted to do was see how far my axle drooped so i could order the right shocks, finish my brakes and finally get this huge piece of CRAP back on the road.

But no. Thats not possible is it?

Well, i had planned to drop and have somebody weld/seal my tank for me because of a pinhole on the top front. I guess that project just got moved up to tomorrow.

Hey, its only time and money right?




I'm so over everything.
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:39 PM
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will shops even weld or solder on tanks these days?
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The Beast Build Thread:Marns '73 Wagoneer Thread
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:58 PM
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OMG I haven't laughed that hard at a thread in a long time. It sounds like your taking it all in stride. If someone says things like that never happen to them they're lying. At least it didn't cause a spark.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:03 PM
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Well

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OMG I haven't laughed that hard at a thread in a long time. It sounds like your taking it all in stride. If someone says things like that never happen to them they're lying. At least it didn't cause a spark.

Just give it a few minutes
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:04 PM
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Hang in there Doc. We've all been there.

When I had planned to make some modifications to my jerry can, I figured I could fill the can entirely with water to displace any gas fumes that may have still been present. Done in a well ventilated area, I don't think there would be a problem welding on a tank if it were filled with water.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:08 PM
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I don't think there would be a problem welding on a tank if it were filled with water. __________________

So, every time I see a comment like this, it makes me wonder...have you(Bruner) ever done this?


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Old 05-15-2013, 08:17 PM
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So, every time I see a comment like this, it makes me wonder...have you(Bruner) ever done this?


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Keyword in my statement was think. I never got to the project I was intending. I was just throwing it out there as a possibility. I know when I'm in situations like Doc's, the more possibilities I know are there, the better I feel about the whole thing.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:27 PM
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Well, the reality of the situation is this...

You are giving potentially life threatening advice. People die doing this type of stuff.
I really don't pay much attention to suggestions like turning your distributer 180 degrees, etc.
Stuff people can hurt themselves with...another deal.

I have welded/brazed hundreds,,,,hundreds of fuel tanks from 5ga..to 20,000 gallon. I know how to do this. I have done this.
I have had some very close calls. I don't do this anymore.
The absolutely very best advice you could be giving anyone here is that they save their money and purchase a over priced tank from one of our suppliers..

Please stick to hypothetical distributer type advice...I am honestly asking this...not just being the a@@@hLL everyone thinks I am.

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Old 05-15-2013, 08:43 PM
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To the best of my knowledge, there is no direct replacement for a early style wag. The ones on bj's and stuff supposedly require modification (and a bunch at that) to work right.

I could be wrong
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:48 PM
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You are giving potentially life threatening advice. People die doing this type of stuff.
I really don't pay much attention to suggestions like turning your distributer 180 degrees, etc.
Stuff people can hurt themselves with...another deal.

Filling it with water and welding? Potentially life threatening?

I've welded up a couple of tanks this way. Doesn't seem like there is a much safer method....
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:55 PM
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Lets not argue safe welding practices here.

Lets laugh at my never ending misfortune and tell me how to fix this mess.

And no I'm not taking it in stride. I'm seriously trying to avoid having a melt down and kicking the door in on this jeep.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:06 PM
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I've welded up a couple of tanks this way. Doesn't seem like there is a much safer method.[/QUOT

Yeah...okay. You believe this,,it proves my point. Unfortunately you don't know of safer ways. I do know of safer ways. Much safer but go for it. Darwin may visit...
You can have custom tanks built all day long. Just because BJ's doesn't sell it doesn't mean it can't happen.


Dr..do your thing, but make sure you kiss that pretty girl really well before you bet your life on internet knowledge. After all, if its on the internet..its' gotta be true right?

This is exactly how this conversation goes every time it comes up. People are willing to listen to someone who got away w/ it a couple times but they rarely listen to the safety aspect of it much less go to someone who specializes in this type of work.


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Old 05-15-2013, 09:08 PM
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Lets not argue safe welding practices here.

Lets laugh at my never ending misfortune and tell me how to fix this mess.

And no I'm not taking it in stride. I'm seriously trying to avoid having a melt down and kicking the door in on this jeep.

If it were my rig, it'd be getting a bigger upgraded tank of some sort.

Things breaking are my #1 best excuse to upgrade something.

Though, if I didn't have the money, or an upgrade would be too big of a pain... I'd pull the tank, clean it out really well. Fill it to the top with water and leave the still running hose on a just enough to overcome the leak. Then I'd weld it up.

If you can somehow come up with some theory about the above procedure that's enough to scare you, take it to a local welder. There's probably someone out there who will take your money and who's done it before.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:13 PM
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This is exactly how this conversation goes every time it comes up. People are willing to listen to someone who got away w/ it a couple times but they rarely listen to the safety aspect of it much less go to someone who specializes in this type of work.

Yes it does seem to be the way they go. Someone chimes in that welding tanks is dangerous, and sometimes even goes over the proper methods.

But they're usually pretty darn vague on the specifics.

Please stop being scary, and maybe point out what makes the filled with water method dangerous.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:14 PM
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We would rinse the tanks out and then purge the tank with nitrogen. Diesel tanks? I just welded them full with the cap on. My welding teacher talked about welding full gasoline tankers with dry ice packed around the vents. He said it was very spooky to hear the gas boiling inside as you were welding.

Me, I would have used JB Weld.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:25 PM
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Since i need to work on my wagoneer's tank ... some day.

this has caught my attention ... i was planning on having a tank made with a thick steel belly .... from a boat shop ....
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:28 PM
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Hi Doc . Your safe on the tank if you intend to replace it . The Change is from 1969 to 1970. Us that own from 69 and earlier will have some issues. The sending unit used in the 1970 Wagons were a little larger.
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Since i need to work on my wagoneer's tank ... some day.

this has caught my attention ... i was planning on having a tank made with a thick steel belly .... from a boat shop ....

Probably not a bad idea having the skid plate built in. Don't know if it would be cheaper though. Having a removable skid plate built to match might be something to look at. I think two layers, with insulation of some type might work better. Suppose it depends on the type of wheeling you do.

I thought about building my own tank, but have decided to throw in a suburban tank because I already had one.

If your tank is leaking, you might now want to wait until someday to fix it. Dripping fuel is one of those things I like to take care of right away.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:38 PM
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But they're usually pretty darn vague on the specifics.

Yep, sure am..other folks here are more than willing to give advice and if something goes wrong..boy, sucks to be that guy.

There are people who can and will do this professionally. There are people who can and will build him a nice new tank w/ all the trimmings.

Some good suggestions have been made here allready. He can choose.

Sorry if I'm too scary for you. It usually makes people take a moment and balance their safety vs the cost of doing something right vs being cheap. Some folks would call it being thrifty or self sufficient. I personally wonder why I continually tempted fate for 20 bucks a pop.

Typically unless the tank has been punctured, it just points to a continuing and future corrosion issue which will find the repair to be short lived and they will be finding a replacement anyway. Might as well get one now.

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Old 05-15-2013, 09:41 PM
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Take it to a good radiator shop and they can weld it up and re-seal it on the inside so it wont rust. Once you weld on it, I am told, you burn off the inner sealer that prevents it from rusting. I was going to modify an aero tank on my 78 in the rear and ditch the side tank until I got the quote of $400. I am sure someone on here has a good tank they will part with.
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