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**tgreese** · 04-13-2005, 01:32 AM

I think you're in a bind. Any car newer than 1976 must pass smog in CA, and it must have all the factory emissions equipment. There's both a tailpipe and visual inspection.

Check the CA DMV site or the CARB site for the regulations. You probably have some responsibilities as the seller in CA, but I don't know how far they go for an out-of-state sale.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/
http://www.arb.ca.gov/homepage.htm

**Gawdzilla.** · 04-13-2005, 02:44 AM

yeah, I doubt it's gonna be much your problem if you sold it from out of state and he's bringing it here. You should only be accountable for having it meet your local smog laws. Anything else I'd think is his issue. They're really gonna nail him for the weight when he bring it in too- they did w/my truck when I brought it home from Utah.

**Milk Man** · 04-13-2005, 02:53 AM

When you buy on e-bay it is as is.... The buyer is has to fix it. Always check your local laws and California people should konw better. They are crazy about everything, look at just about any warning label and California warns it may cause cancer. Just my 2 cent..

**j10jim** · 04-13-2005, 03:11 AM

He will have to install ALL smog equipment required for 1980. Also the headers will have to go unless they have smog fittings. The projection will have to go. He will need a carb. WHen you bring a car into the state, they go over it with a fine tooth comb.

My suggestion would be to offer his money back and resell the truck to someone else. That would be the "good guy" thing to do.

Just my .02 cents worth.

Jim Sterling

**j10jim** · 04-13-2005, 03:12 AM

He will have to install ALL smog equipment required for 1980. Also the headers will have to go unless they have smog fittings. The projection will have to go. He will need a carb. WHen you bring a car into the state, they go over it with a fine tooth comb.

My suggestion would be to offer his money back and resell the truck to someone else. That would be the "good guy" thing to do.

Just my .02 cents worth.

Jim Sterling

**Kris** · 04-13-2005, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by j10jim:

My suggestion would be to offer his money back and resell the truck to someone else. That would be the "good guy" thing to do...

Im gonna second what Jim said.
It will never pass here unless it has all the original smog equipment installed.

Even if the headers were legal, it needs a single exhaust with a cat. Duals were not offered and therefor are not legal...

Now on the other hand, he should have read the description and knows what has been installed.
Mabye he knows a smog guy and doesnt care...

Still best to let him know and give him the option of backing out.

kris.

**River Beast** · 04-13-2005, 04:15 AM

I third that....

the smog requirments out here are CRAZY.... I even failed for a missing stove pipe and cracked rubber seal on the gas cap...

**Gawdzilla.** · 04-13-2005, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by River Beast:
I third that....

the smog requirments out here are CRAZY.... I even failed for a missing stove pipe and cracked rubber seal on the gas cap...

man...it must suck having to get your truck smogged... lol

**Sitting Bull** · 04-13-2005, 05:08 AM

I don't understand why y'all don't just title everything a 76? Todd, how many parts on your car are original anyway?

I've gotta 77 frame, 79 body, 74 block, etc. etc. I'm sure there are many out there the same. Do you guys have VIN number inspection too?

**bamaJeepFan** · 04-13-2005, 05:20 AM

Well, I just contacted the high bidder and told him to check this thread. We have decided not to complete the sale. Thanks for the help. - Jason

**River Beast** · 04-13-2005, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by Gawdzilla.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by River Beast:
I third that....

the smog requirments out here are CRAZY.... I even failed for a missing stove pipe and cracked rubber seal on the gas cap...

man...it must suck having to get your truck smogged... lol</font>[/QUOTE]Guys... dont look at me for smog crap.... Im military NON-RESIDENT...

I am however planning a strategic manuever on the smog natzi's after I have all my research done.

There are MANY in depth details to go about getting RB legitimately 'legal' for CA.... and if it works... I will let you know.

One key for legalities is verbage on your documentation...

for example....

I did not do an engine SWAP... I did an engine CHANGE....

[ April 13, 2005, 01:24 PM: Message edited by: River Beast ]

**River Beast** · 04-13-2005, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by Sitting Bull:
I don't understand why y'all don't just title everything a 76? Todd, how many parts on your car are original anyway?

I've gotta 77 frame, 79 body, 74 block, etc. etc. I'm sure there are many out there the same. Do you guys have VIN number inspection too?

VIN inpsections... oh yes... when they hook you up to the smog machines... all your data is transmitted from the machine to CA DMV and held on record.. pass or fail.. they have all your info...

original parts...um.. lets see...

78 Waggie frame and modified body
76 Cadillac Eldorado 500 engine
?? BOP TH400 tranny/ D20 from a donor J truck right now
76 Cadillac Eldorado Hydrobost Brake system
76 Cadillac Eldorado rear disc brake conversion ( soon)
84 GM CUCV axles and soon to be a GM NP205
96 Suburban rear springs
80 Cherokee front springs
96 Suburban shackles
85 Bronco gas tank

I think thats it...

[ April 13, 2005, 01:30 PM: Message edited by: River Beast ]

**Kris** · 04-13-2005, 08:16 AM

Todd.
Ive looked into it. Quite extensively...

The vin on the frame (first) and the year of the engine (second) is what they go by in cases of "pieced together" vehicles in California. Which ever is newer, thats what they go by. If the frame is new construction, then they go by the year of the engine only. That becomes the year of the vehicle for registration and testing purposes.

Only way out is a pre'76 frame and vin plate swap.
Of course it is illegal to swap just a vin plate and frame (vin) section, but the whole frame is acceptable.

You would be legal if your wag was a 76, and all of the emission junk was installed and working on the motor.

Do you still have Arizona plates ?
A physical inspection is required to get an out-of-state vehicle registered in California. It is just a vin plate inspection (all of them), the inspectors at the dmv dont usually know anything about motors, they just want to be sure that it has an engine (does not need to run), drivers seat, lights, and not a stolen/salvaged/vin-swapped/non-existent vehicle.

kris.

**Joe's 89** · 04-13-2005, 08:35 AM

I think I would at least ask for the insertion fees. He should have known, and you were cool in not forcing him into it.

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