Fave FSJ's...what would be in your dream garage?

[DanHS]

If I could have anything, I think I'd have quite the collection.

Definitely my '84, frame off to fix all rust and beef up the frame, soa the front and 6" springs in the rear with everything reinforced, Ford HP D60 and D70, selectable lockers, 4wheel discs and hydroboost, sequential turbocharged 6BT/NV5600/STaK or Klune t case, rock sliders, heavy duty class IV hitch/bumper combo with swingout tire carrier, convertible exo cage, and some 38" tires, like 38x12.5 Swampers or 11-16 Michelin XLs, and 35" BFG A/Ts for the street..

Then I'd like a 91 GW in Spinnaker blue (seems to be a popular choice) with sand interior, mildly built 360 with Edelbrock MPFI, headers and dual exhaust, A518 and NP229, 2-3" lift with 31's, 4 wheel discs and hydroboost, update the interior a tiny bit and a nice stereo.

Then I'm thinking of something like an 88+ Black Cherry GW with wine interior, built 401, 4" lift and 33's.

Maybe a big comfy hauler too, like a stretched 3 row Wagoneer front/Cherokee rear with dually Superduty guts (maybe just put it on a Superduty frame?), that would be a nice way to haul stuff or just use for a long drive.

Then a nice simple commuter truck, like a 2dr N/T Cherokee with newer comfy Jeep seats, 4BT/NV5600/NP208, 4 wheel discs and hydroboost, 3" lift and 235/85/16 tires, and really nice stereo.

I guess I need a cool old classic FSJ too, maybe a 63 barn door panel Waggy with 4x4 IFS so I can have something cool and rare, maybe a dually 67ish J-truck too...

[goldhammer]

Matching GE J truck and W/T Cherokee, oh yeah and a 2 door panel with barn doors, and maybe a second one to make a W/T out of. And do a 2 door Cherokee rear body into a matching panel trailer.

[mud89]

Just to be clear, there are only two distinct models of Wagoneer for 1972 and up, standard and Custom. Everything else is just an option/trim package. 1972 you could only get standard (model 14). Model 15 (custom) became available in 1973. They dropped model 14 for 1977, leaving only the Custom available. In 1981 they changed the model/numbering system for the standard 17 digit vin.

I believe that all 1973 and up Custom Wagoneers came with at least the lower stainless body trim and the thin woodgrain strip, except the 1975 models which was the only year for full woodgrain with no mouldings.

1978 was the first year for the Limited package with full woodgrain and woodgrain mouldings but did not have a separate model designation (still a model 15 Custom). I have no solid knowledge of the Brougham model.

The woodgrain strip was not standard for the custom, it was actually a custom only option.
Brougham : '81-'83

[JerseyJeeps]

That 2 Door Golden Eagle is the best example left in the WORLD. The pricetag reflects that IMHO, when you have the best. Simply an amazing survivor, right down to the original 10-15LT Tracker AT Tires.

BTW, two J series trucks, a 77 J-20 and a 78 J-10 both with under 4K miles each, fetched 40K plus EACH a few years ago. A 688 mile Scrambler fetched 50K plus. A CJ-7 with under 100 miles the same. Original Paint showroom examples can demand such a price. And whats wrong with that when a new luxo-SUV costs more?? And Its not like we are talking million dollar Boss 429s or Copo Camaros.

[Ghinmi]

IF
A 1414X and 1414D were the model designations for a special line of ultra-luxury Waoneers built between 1966 and 1971 called "Super Wagoneers" and "Special Wagoneers". 1414D's were sold from 1966-1968 and have bi-level
Starting in 1972, Wagoneer production dropped back to standard Wagoneers, and Custom Wagoneers, as it was before 1965, but some of the old 1414X options were rolled into the Custom. Things stabilized until 1976-1978-ish when packages like Brougham and Limited came out.

Just to be clear, there are only two distinct models of Wagoneer for 1972 and up, standard and Custom. Everything else is just an option/trim package. 1972 you could only get standard (model 14). Model 15 (custom) became available in 1973. They dropped model 14 for 1977, leaving only the Custom available. In 1981 they changed the model/numbering system for the standard 17 digit vin.

I believe that all 1973 and up Custom Wagoneers came with at least the lower stainless body trim and the thin woodgrain strip, except the 1975 models which was the only year for full woodgrain with no mouldings.

1978 was the first year for the Limited package with full woodgrain and woodgrain mouldings but did not have a separate model designation (still a model 15 Custom). I have no solid knowledge of the Brougham model.

[Carnuck]

I "think" it was Al Metzel's rig

(different rig)


Dial up be forewarned!
http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/63_ifs_rice/ALL.html

[mud89]

No IFS with a 327 or a 232 in the Kaiser parts catalogs, it would be very surprising that a dealer would have accepted an order with this combo even as a special order, but it's true that everything is possible with Jeep, i recall or example a special order dually stepside

[Carnuck]

I think John Meister has pics of an IFS FSJ with the 327 (but it was TH400) that came to visit. I was intrigued with the IFS and didn't pay the rest much attention. Parts are tough to come by for them and they require a LOT of maintenance if used a lot offroad.

[mud89]

Actually no 327 with an IFS, if you want an IFS and stay original you are stuck with the Tornado (or a diesel if you are in Argentina)
Yep the duallies got the same comfort options than the other j-trucks : "custom cab" package, AC, bucket seats for the later ones etc..

[KaiserMan]

1969 J3800Z Custom Cab Camper Truck.
350/T18A/D20
Fire Engine Red with black interior. Bench.


AM Radio
Glove box clock
Horn ring
A/C
E-brake warning lamp
D20 Overdrive unit
P/S
P/B
Ramsey front mount mech. winch with Jeep bumper
Wrap around rear step bumper
Cutlass 16" full disc "turbine" hubcaps
7.50-16 Good Year Hi-Miler Extra-Grips
Side mount tire carrier
Aux. Fuel tank
Camper wiring
Chrome day/night mirror
Shoulder belts
Tint

[FSJunkie]

IFS went away in 1965, but that's the same year the 327 became an option, so it's possible that some had the 327 and IFS for 1965 only, but I cannot confirm one way or another.

A 1414X and 1414D were the model designations for a special line of ultra-luxury Waoneers built between 1966 and 1971 called "Super Wagoneers" and "Special Wagoneers". 1414D's were sold from 1966-1968 and have bi-level anodized aluminum side spears. 1414X's were sold from 1969-1971 and may or may not have any side spears, but the ultra-luxury interior remained. 1414X models are hard to find data on, because they were technically just a dealer promotion that leaked into regular production. Many were custom ordered and the option packages vary widely on them.

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...+Super+Special

Starting in 1972, Wagoneer production dropped back to standard Wagoneers, and Custom Wagoneers, as it was before 1965, but some of the old 1414X options were rolled into the Custom. Things stabilized until 1976-1978-ish when packages like Brougham and Limited came out.

You guys sure have some nice stuff, and neat ideas.

Hi All-

Man, you guys have some nice FSJ's, and some really neat ideas.
Thanks for sharing this stuff.

I didn't know you could get a FSJ 327, with the IFS....there is much I don't know about! Or a 1 ton stake truck, with attachments, with 'comfort options'?

That would be wild, a beefy looking dually stake....with buckets, console, floor shift, tilt, etc....that is just off the wall!

Perhaps there IS truth in the old Jeep tag line-

"Only in a Jeep!"

Curious- what is all this "1414x" stuff? An option code?

And yep, Mud89....I am a Vigilante fan....goes back to being a kid, and having various family members and family friends and neighbors having Nash/Rambler/AMC. All I knew at the time was N/R/AMC did their 'own thing'. If I had known back then the cross over into various Jeeps, I would probably have investigated Jeep much earlier in life.

FSJunkie- oh yeah, your list and comments ring loud and clear. I'm not a huge 4 door fan, but I will make certain exceptions, mostly involving earlier
Nash/Ramblers and some Studes. A mint 57 Rebel is way up on the list, but short of a mega lottery, not happening. A 57 Ambassador crossed my path several years ago, sadly did not work out.

Serehill and Dens71TA......nice rigs. My second Wag was a brown pig nose, 258. With all it's naggles, and a "3/4 tune up"...no kidding, it would get about 17 freeway mpg, on 31x10.50's, 60mph. A buddy suggested a 4.0 head and FI and an OD trans....that might have actually beaten 20mpg freeway.....maybe.

I'm not a big 'late model FSJ' fan....but it's true, that Golden Eagle is NICE.
Wow, well kept and cared for. I love the 'plug and play' nature of FSJ's- a face lift or backdate does not seem to be too terribly hard. One of the good points about AMC's limited budgets. I don't know who the draftsmen and designers of the FSJ's were, but on the car side, Ed Anderson and Dick Teague and their crews worked miracles on AMC's shoestring budgets.

FSJunkie, you're right, for years, eons....car writers/critics always glorify the Big 3 (mostly GM), and for the most part pan and degrade the independents. Yeah, every company had it's lemons. But I will always have a spot for Nash/Rambler/AMC....and the 'related' Jeeps I like.

In these last 10 years of owning a few old rigs, the ones the critics and 'experts' HATED.....got the most positive public comments! My Ramblers, AMC, Jeep and Internationals got total strangers walking up, telling stories, thumbs ups, etc. No jokes. Even people in the crosswalk looked and said stuff like 'cool car/truck', waved, stuff like that.

Wish I could have kept them. Funny how we can miss an inanimate object.

But I am happy to have a Wag again. Just want to keep it, learn more, do more, and keep it going. I get my Rambler and Jeep fix in the same vehicle!

This is great stuff, thanks to all for sharing! Keep it coming, would love to see and learn more.

[Bill Moore]

AM General 720 with factory D60 up front, D70 in the back, Isuzu 6 cyl Diesel, and 5 speed.

[joe]

Not that it's full of FSJ's but my "larger" dream garage would be full of empty space... to do with as economics and enthusiasm dictates.
An unmolested cherry bone stock 67 1414X would sure brighten the new days morning sun.
A long wheel base J-300 or 3000 Thriftside would also bring joy.

[Ghinmi]

I'm perfectly content with the two that I have/am working on, they are both part of my dream garage. Aside from those, my list would go as follows:

1991 Grand Wagoneer in Spinnaker Blue, all stock.
1978 Wagoneer Limited, white with tan interior. With the 401/quadratrac, all stock.
1977 Cherokee "S" 4-door, Tawny Orange with the white stripe and white vinyl interior. 258/4 speed.
1977 Cherokee Chief Wide Trac, Brilliant Blue with black interior. 4bbl 360/4 speed, all stock.
1973 J4800, two tone white/orange. 4bbl 360/4 speed, all stock.