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Old 02-05-2001, 11:01 AM
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Does anyone have a source for getting longer front shackles? I want to put another 1" of lift on top of the three I got with the RC lift. I figured I would put the shackles up front and 1" blocks in the rear. Will this be ok?

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Ted

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84' Grand Wagoneer "Dove"
-AMC 360
-Stock axles(AMC20(R) & Dana44(F)), tranny(?) & transfer case(NP229)
-MSD TFI upgrade
-K&N Air filter
-Rough Country 3" lift
-Heckelthorne Hydro shocks
-Yokohama Prodigy AT 31X10.5 tires
-American Racing 15X8 Chrome Nugget wheels
-blue fuzzy dice!!

*fuel injection and an MSD 6A ignition will soon be added. Hello 16-17 mpg!!
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Old 02-05-2001, 11:35 AM
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You will need a 2 inch longer shackel to gain a 1 inch lift.

This will also effect your caster, and drive line angles. it might make it wander on the road at speed.

Larry

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Old 02-05-2001, 03:46 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Treadted2:
Does anyone have a source for getting longer front shackles? I want to put another 1" of lift on top of the three I got with the RC lift. I figured I would put the shackles up front and 1" blocks in the rear. Will this be ok?

Thanks

Ted

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Treadted 2
I went to a wrecking yard and pulled the shackles out of a Chevy or Ford trucks 80`s ,one of them is 1.50 over stock 3" Jeep and they are the same spring hanger dimintions as a 70 wagon.I think they are all the same.Jeep is 3"eye to eye.Ford-Chevy is 4.50" eye to eye. 3jeeps
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Old 02-05-2001, 04:08 PM
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Ted, don't do this--trust me. You don't want the steering headaches, and it will make your vehicle unsafe to drive. Plus the risk of breaking a shackle increases with length. I rode in a CJ with a shackle lift and have never felt less safe in a vehicle. If you need the extra inch (okay, I won't go for the joke--I promise!) get a body lift.
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Old 02-06-2001, 02:21 AM
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I tried longer shackles, but the steering was scary at highway speeds. I ended up putting in shackles from the rear of a chevy truck. They gave about 3/4 inch lift and aren't too long to cause steering problems.

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84 Grand Wagoneer
74 Grill & Round Headlights
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Old 02-06-2001, 02:57 AM
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Yeah, I kinda figured there was some kinda problem with this. Thanks for the info. Maybe I will go with a body lift.

Ted

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84' Grand Wagoneer "Dove"
-AMC 360
-Stock axles(AMC20(R) & Dana44(F)), tranny(?) & transfer case(NP229)
-MSD TFI upgrade
-K&N Air filter
-Rough Country 3" lift
-Heckelthorne Hydro shocks
-Yokohama Prodigy AT 31X10.5 tires
-American Racing 15X8 Chrome Nugget wheels
-blue fuzzy dice!!

*fuel injection and an MSD 6A ignition will soon be added. Hello 16-17 mpg!!
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Old 02-06-2001, 03:24 AM
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Some of the steerin probs could be aleviated by fabbing up shackles like the front ones on a Scout. They have that flapper bar joining the shackles together.

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Old 02-06-2001, 04:57 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by archiele:
Some of the steerin probs could be aleviated by fabbing up shackles like the front ones on a Scout. They have that flapper bar joining the shackles together.

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I saw this setup on a buddy's Scout... it limits the amount of independent flex you need on off-camber trails. Kinda "locks" the shackles together, so when one moves the other moves with it... bad idea in my book... even my buddy did away with it and loves the difference on the trails.



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78 Wagoneer, "River Beast"
360/TH400/QT (maybe changin' QT soon to a Dana 18/20)
Dana 44's locked w/ 4.89's
39.50x15x15 Super Swamper TSL's on 15x12 Eagle 589's
7" SOA in front-7" Rear Shackle Inversion Mods
4" Skyjacker Softride
3" Trailmaster Bodylift
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Old 02-06-2001, 01:47 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Millerluck:
You will need a 2 inch longer shackel to gain a 1 inch lift.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Millerluck,

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Old 02-06-2001, 02:00 PM
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Hey Guys, What if you put longer shackles in, and to correct the tilt in the axle, place a shim in to rotate the axle back up? Would this work?

Ted

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84' Grand Wagoneer "Dove"
-AMC 360
-Stock axles(AMC20(R) & Dana44(F)), tranny(?) & transfer case(NP229)
-MSD TFI upgrade
-K&N Air filter
-Rough Country 3" lift
-Heckelthorne Hydro shocks
-Yokohama Prodigy AT 31X10.5 tires
-American Racing 15X8 Chrome Nugget wheels
-blue fuzzy dice!!

*fuel injection and an MSD 6A ignition will soon be added. Hello 16-17 mpg!!
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Old 02-07-2001, 07:23 AM
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Anyone??



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84' Grand Wagoneer "Dove"
-AMC 360
-Stock axles(AMC20(R) & Dana44(F)), tranny(?) & transfer case(NP229)
-MSD TFI upgrade
-K&N Air filter
-Rough Country 3" lift
-Heckelthorne Hydro shocks
-Yokohama Prodigy AT 31X10.5 tires
-American Racing 15X8 Chrome Nugget wheels
-blue fuzzy dice!!

*fuel injection and an MSD 6A ignition will soon be added. Hello 16-17 mpg!!
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Old 02-07-2001, 10:47 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Treadted2:
Anyone??
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To my knowledge, there are no companies that make an aftermarket shackle for FSJ's. Most here just make their own or find what fits to do the job.


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Todd
78 Wagoneer, "River Beast"
360/TH400/QT (maybe changin' QT soon to a Dana 18/20)
Dana 44's locked w/ 4.89's
39.50x15x15 Super Swamper TSL's on 15x12 Eagle 589's
7" SOA in front-7" Rear Shackle Inversion Mods
4" Skyjacker Softride
3" Trailmaster Bodylift
My FSJ site: http://www.geocities.com/spazz4life
The "NEW" River Beast Preview site: <A HREF="http://home.earthlink.net/~tjnkk" TARGET=_blank>
http://home.earthlink.net/~tjnkk </A>
My E-mail: monster_fsj@hotmail.com
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Old 02-07-2001, 11:29 AM
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Well, I was actually wondering more about the idea I proposed with the axle shims to correct the axle being rotated forward. Will this work?

Ted

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84' Grand Wagoneer "Dove"
-AMC 360
-Stock axles(AMC20(R) & Dana44(F)), tranny(?) & transfer case(NP229)
-MSD TFI upgrade
-K&N Air filter
-Rough Country 3" lift
-Heckelthorne Hydro shocks
-Yokohama Prodigy AT 31X10.5 tires
-American Racing 15X8 Chrome Nugget wheels
-blue fuzzy dice!!

*fuel injection and an MSD 6A ignition will soon be added. Hello 16-17 mpg!!
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Old 02-07-2001, 11:35 PM
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Treadted2,

There's another reason the longer shackles will give you problems. The longer the shackle the greater the leverage the sprung weight (the truck) has on the springs. So think about the truck wanting to go straight while the axle (steering) wants it to turn. This is easily noticed when cruising straight and you move the steering side to side... the truck goes straight and reacts about a half a second later... by the time you're turning the other way... really sloppy. You're thinking: My Jeep does that now... wait... it'll get worse.

The steering angles are just a different set of related problems. The shim may help that if you can get the angle right - get out your 5th grade math book.

Another option (if you are friends with a good welder) is to lower the mounts for the springs. Cut off the spring hangers, weld in a 1 or 2 inch box and re-attach the spring hangers - instant lift with no angle problems (other than driveshaft). The only drawback here is added leverage/force on the frame. It should be reinforced to handle the load.

I think the last idea is easier than a body lift. Those are a pain in the a$$. Rusted body mounts, wiring, transmission/t-case levers, linkage, pedal linkages, brake lines.... pain in the a$$.

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Old 02-08-2001, 02:14 AM
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Manhattan,

Yes I agree that a bodylift "could" be a P.I.T.A. but. the only mods needed for it is to relocate the radiator and extend the linkages for the shift levers of the tranny and T-case. About an 8-10 hour job ("fudge factor" already in the time). When I did mine, 10 of the 12 body bolts were out in 20 minutes!!! the last two took my close to 3 hours...

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Todd
78 Wagoneer, "River Beast"
360/TH400/QT (maybe changin' QT soon to a Dana 18/20)
Dana 44's locked w/ 4.89's
39.50x15x15 Super Swamper TSL's on 15x12 Eagle 589's
7" SOA in front-7" Rear Shackle Inversion Mods
4" Skyjacker Softride
3" Trailmaster Bodylift
My FSJ site: http://www.geocities.com/spazz4life
The "NEW" River Beast Preview site: <A HREF="http://home.earthlink.net/~tjnkk" TARGET=_blank>
http://home.earthlink.net/~tjnkk </A>
My E-mail: monster_fsj@hotmail.com
"When approaching an intersection, remember...
the vehicle with the BIGGEST TIRES has the right of way..."


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Old 02-08-2001, 03:28 AM
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geeze, I may just say screw it! I don't think all of that trouble is worth another 1" of lift. I guess I will just have to settle with the three inches I have.

Thanks for your input.

Ted

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84' Grand Wagoneer "Dove"
-AMC 360
-Stock axles(AMC20(R) & Dana44(F)), tranny(?) & transfer case(NP229)
-MSD TFI upgrade
-K&N Air filter
-Rough Country 3" lift
-Heckelthorne Hydro shocks
-Yokohama Prodigy AT 31X10.5 tires
-American Racing 15X8 Chrome Nugget wheels
-blue fuzzy dice!!

*fuel injection and an MSD 6A ignition will soon be added. Hello 16-17 mpg!!
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Old 02-08-2001, 09:32 AM
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Treadted2:

The body lift is that bad a job. It is time consuming but not too difficult from a technical perspective.

Why do you want the additional 1" lift? (Bigger tires ?).

IMHO the body lift is your biggest bang for the buck when it comes to creating room for larger tires. You have to build your truck for your planned uses. For my purposes, I wanted the lowest center of gravity possible with the widest tire possible. I use my truck mostly for wood trails and the beach. I used the AAL because my existing springs were in good shape and had no concerns about ride quality.

Check out this thread: http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002502.html

Good Luck!

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WINGO
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USA
1984 GW 360
Rough Country/Heckethorn 2 1/4" AAL (actual lift)
Rough Country/Heckethorn Nitro 9000 Shocks
Performance Accesories 3 " Body Lift

Soon to Have:
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2- Alis-Chalmers Orange & Black Durabark exterior paint.
3- 33" X 12.50" tires

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