International Full Size Jeep Association
Home Forums Reader's Rigs Tech Library Trail Stories FSJ-List
International Full Size Jeep Association  

Go Back   International Full Size Jeep Association > Tire Kickin' > Off-Road FSJ Tech

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-24-2006, 07:28 PM
Cowboy Cowboy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 03, 2002
Location: Kingman, AZ
Posts: 113
Question D44 gear change

I am running 35/12.5 R 15 tires on my 79 chief 360 T-18a. 3.54 is the current ratio. I think i have decided on 4.27 gearing. I am going this on a budget, just like everyone else. My question is when i am changing gears what else should i change (what installation kit)? What brand of gears and from who do you suggest i get them? Will i need to change my carrier also?

thanks
darrin
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-24-2006, 07:43 PM
Gambler68's Avatar
Gambler68 Gambler68 is offline
Rabble Rouser
 
Join Date: Feb 29, 2004
Location: Ignacio, Colorado, USA
Posts: 14,082
gotta switch to a different carrier, for starts.

I have the same gears as you, and want to do the same thing (4.11's though to run 33-35's).
__________________
1979 Chero S "Sundog" 1979 Chero S "Hammer"
1968 327 J3000 1978 J10SWB
The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.
Hunter S. Thompson .

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-24-2006, 07:55 PM
4x4fEvEr's Avatar
4x4fEvEr 4x4fEvEr is offline
Master Mechanic
 
Join Date: May 25, 2005
Location: abingdon, va
Posts: 803
u will need either master or mini install kits as well. if this is a rig that sees alot of street i would go with the master install which has all new bearings. i believe it runs around 120 bucks and the mini runs at about 40
__________________
77 cherokee chief 360/435/205-60/60-42's
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-25-2006, 09:12 AM
Gambler68's Avatar
Gambler68 Gambler68 is offline
Rabble Rouser
 
Join Date: Feb 29, 2004
Location: Ignacio, Colorado, USA
Posts: 14,082
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4x4fEvEr
u will need either master or mini install kits as well. if this is a rig that sees alot of street i would go with the master install which has all new bearings. i believe it runs around 120 bucks and the mini runs at about 40

do you have links to those kits?
__________________
1979 Chero S "Sundog" 1979 Chero S "Hammer"
1968 327 J3000 1978 J10SWB
The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.
Hunter S. Thompson .

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-25-2006, 10:44 AM
Creech's Avatar
Creech Creech is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 30, 2006
Location: Frankfort, KY
Posts: 26
http://www.ring-pinion.com/default.asp?pid=2&pageid=76

I have always had good success with Yukon gears from Randy's. If I order through my local 4x shop, I usually get anything from Randy's by the next day if it's in stock.
__________________
http://www.kamikazemudders.com

83 Waggy: 360/727/208?/4" lift/31x10.50 BFG AT KO's, HEI, R134A conv., leaks and rust!!

67 M715: Hercules Turbo Diesel, Detroits F&R, 4.88's, Manual Hubs, Braden PTO Winch.

"Wagoneer? It's a Wagon with an ear?" - My son.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-26-2006, 11:57 PM
FSJ Super Swamper FSJ Super Swamper is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 13, 2005
Location: Central West Virginia
Posts: 218
Call 4 Wheel Parts and use there tech line 1-800-284-9426

I run 35's too, and I just ordered 4.56 grs. Listen to the menu options and you can't go wrong.
__________________
sadly, I am getting out of the FSJ business.............
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-27-2006, 12:14 AM
Stuka's Avatar
Stuka Stuka is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 21, 2001
Location: Twain Harte, California
Posts: 13,743
I buy my kits from Krage at jeepdoc.com

Great service, good people, etc.

Have you ever installed gears before? Its not quite as simple as just bolting them in.
__________________
Full Size Jeep Network

1981 J10 AMC 258 with TFI and Weber 32/36 DGEV Carb with a BJ's Aluminum Radiator, T176, NP208, D44/M23 with 4.56 gears and Detroit Locker, 6" lift, 33x12.50 TSL's, BJ's Offroad Rear Bumper.

1975 Cherokee *Sold*
1989 XJ Limited *Sold*
2005 KJ Limited 3.7, 42RLE, NP242
2008 JK 3.8, 6sp, NP241, 2.5", 33's, 4.56's
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-27-2006, 06:40 AM
Cowboy Cowboy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 03, 2002
Location: Kingman, AZ
Posts: 113
I have never installed gears before. I plan on doing it myself because that is who i am and that is how i learn. Plus i love working on my jeeps. Are there any tips you guys would suggest that are not mention in install manual?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-27-2006, 07:47 AM
Boghog1's Avatar
Boghog1 Boghog1 is offline
Grease Monkey
 
Join Date: Apr 16, 2004
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 301
http://www.ring-pinion.com/content/t...ult.asp?pid=43, install manuals are also available there

It is not just a bolt in job and if you know someone that has done it before then it is good to have help the first time through. It is not as difficult as some installers would like you to believe though.
__________________
79 Cheif WT 360/TH400/1339
83 Pioneer 4dr 258/???/???
88 Cherokee XJ with OME lift TJ flares 33s
98 Grand Cherokee 2.5" lift and 31s
99 Cherokee XJ bone stock
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-28-2006, 10:02 PM
Blake Blake is offline
Bleedin' Gasoline
 
Join Date: Dec 22, 2005
Location: longmont, colorado
Posts: 2,123
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boghog1
http://www.ring-pinion.com/content/t...ult.asp?pid=43, install manuals are also available there

It is not just a bolt in job and if you know someone that has done it before then it is good to have help the first time through. It is not as difficult as some installers would like you to believe though.

This is perhaps one of the most accurrate posts I've ever seen online.

Gear installations are NOT hard and CAN BE DONE BY THE AVERAGE HOME MECHANIC. There is a ton of info online about this subject. Do your research and IGNORE all the "web wheelers" (who just repeat other things they hear online). You'll be fine.
__________________
Please come on over to http://fsjnetwork.com/forum and have a look.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07-28-2006, 10:49 PM
J10Mike's Avatar
J10Mike J10Mike is offline
Delightfully Incompetent
 
Join Date: Jun 04, 2003
Location: St. Louis, Mo. 63052
Posts: 5,812
Quote:
Originally Posted by shepherdblake
This is perhaps one of the most accurrate posts I've ever seen online.

Gear installations are NOT hard and CAN BE DONE BY THE AVERAGE HOME MECHANIC. There is a ton of info online about this subject. Do your research and IGNORE all the "web wheelers" (who just repeat other things they hear online). You'll be fine.
Right...I agree. "Gear installations are NOT hard and CAN BE DONE BY THE AVERAGE HOME MECHANIC".
Having done it myself without prior gear changing experience, it can be done...IF, you have the right tools and a lot of patience. If you run out of patience, STOP. Take a break or the rest of the day off and try it again later. Do your research as stated above and accumulate the necessary specialty tools that will be required to do the job.
__________________
www.j10mike.com
Former - 1982 J10 Sportside, 360, TFI, 727/208, J20 axles, D44HD/Detroit TruTrac, D60/Detroit Locker, D60 disk brake conversion, 4.10s, 5 inch Superlift, 35x12.5x16.5 BFGs on AR767 Wheels. Procomp Super Seats. MileMarker 9000 on Cliffhanger front bumper. Dozer II rear bumper. Rhino Grill conversion. NP208 floor shifter conversion.

Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-29-2006, 03:40 PM
bchesley's Avatar
bchesley bchesley is offline
Master Mechanic
 
Join Date: Apr 09, 2001
Location: Tyler, Texas
Posts: 961
I would do 4.56 over the 4.27. I know you have probably thought it out already but I have some road time on 35's with 4.10's and hated it. It was one of those situations that I was scared of the RPM and made the wrong decision. The difference between the 4.10 and 4.27 is minor and I really needed more gear. I will be installing 4.56s in the next few months. This is something that you only want to do once.......it can get expensive...

Brad
__________________
Brad D. Chesley
04 Dodge 2500 4x4 DTT trans, Banks Exhaust, AFE Intake, VanAken Box, ISSPro guages
98 Super Air Nautique
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-29-2006, 09:43 PM
jsinajeep's Avatar
jsinajeep jsinajeep is offline
304 AMC
 
Join Date: Nov 26, 2005
Location: Globe AZ
Posts: 2,273
You can get the thick 4.27 that will fit your carrier, but what you need to think about ARE you going to put in Locker. Do the job once, unless you want to make a hobby of it.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-30-2006, 12:43 AM
Arborigine Arborigine is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 246
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsinajeep
You can get the thick 4.27 that will fit your carrier, but what you need to think about ARE you going to put in Locker. Do the job once, unless you want to make a hobby of it.

You can go as high as 4.88 using thick sets without getting larger carriers.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
corner corner