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Old 12-03-2002, 02:08 PM
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I just picked up my "new" 82 Wagoneer Brougham from Squirell over the weekend (Click here for pics)

The 200-mile ride home was uneventful, but I feel like the steering is a little loose for my tastes. I feel like I am wandering all over the road. Even at slower speeds, the steering feels a little loosey-goosey for me like I'm driving my uncle's Country Squire wagon or an older Caddy.

I know the Waggy is a boat, but I'd like to improve the road feel and make the steering a little stiffer and more responsive than it currently is.

Is there any way to adjust the steering box to improve the feel and tightness? Are there any aftermarket steering boxes that will help?

I plan to use the Wagoneer to tow my YJ (flat-tow most likely) and I think the tighter steering will help with towing as well. The last thing I need is to be wandering all over the road while pulling an additional 3500lbs behind me.

Thanks to Matt for keeping this Jeep in such great shape and letting me buy it from him!

And thanks any help on this steering issue!

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Old 12-03-2002, 02:19 PM
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Check the U-Joint in the steering shaft, make sure it doesnt have a lot of slack in it. Then check to see if there is slack in the steering box. Have somebody turn the wheel just side to side in the "slack" area. Then you get down and look at the box, see the differance between how far the main shaft has to turnn before the pitman arm starts to turn. The steering box does wear out, if there seams to be a lot of slack between the steering shaft and the pitman arm its most likely that.

EDIT: you may want to checkk your caster angle too, sometimes sagged springs will make the front dif point up, making the caster angle bad, which will cause the truck to wander a lot, and the wheel wont returnn to center.

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Old 12-03-2002, 02:25 PM
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It's got a bit of a lift on it. Squirrel had the springs rearched and some leafs added, so the rig stands a bit taller and the springs still have an arch to them.

I'll check the steering shaft and pitman arm as soon as I can. Thanks!
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Old 12-03-2002, 03:32 PM
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on top of the box there is a 9/16 nut with a 5/16 allen screw in the middle of it loosen the nut and turn the allen clockwise 1/2 turn while holding the nut then check the play in the wheel (steering) if you need more turn the allen 1/2 trun and check the play again dont turn the allen all the way in or you will wipe the box out
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Old 12-04-2002, 09:09 AM
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Cool! I'll check that out. I know I read that over on the technical library section. That might help. If it doesn't help, however, are there any aftermarket steering boxes that would help me? not that I'm looking for a reason to spend money or anything...

Thanks!
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Old 12-04-2002, 09:29 AM
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You can put in a AGR steering box. Thats what I did. After replacing everthing except the ball joints. theres no play in my steering now! I still have a lack of return to center problem, but I think the ball joints or not enough caster is causing that. Because with the new tie rod ends and the new steering box, and no play in the steering shaft, there is 0 play when turning the wheel at idle, standing still. The box will loosen up a little with some use, and it will be perfect.

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Old 12-04-2002, 10:25 AM
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Yeah I was looking at AGR, but I wasn't sure if that would help me or give me more of the same.

Which one did you get; SB1 or SB2?
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Old 12-04-2002, 03:03 PM
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Here's my recipe for excellent handling & ride:

7-leaf front spring packs, which you probably already have.

1" front swaybar from '87 or later Grand Wagoneer; earlier years had 15/16" sway bar.

Energy Suspension (or similar brand) polyurethane sway bar and endlink bushings. These will cost you about $25 altogether, take an hour or less to install), and IMHO make the absolute biggest difference.

Edelbrock IAS shocks. Cost you about $70 each, but really - I mean REALLLLLLY sweeeeeet!

So, to answer your original post, I don't believe changing the steering box will be the answer you're looking for. It's far more important to make sure your tie rods and ball joints are all in excellent shape.
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Old 12-04-2002, 03:36 PM
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I agree with Stuka and Ralph, I would check the tie rods, etc. first. The steering in my Chief is excellent.

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Old 12-04-2002, 04:14 PM
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Cool, thanks! I have an 88 that I am probably going to part-out. I can take the 1" swaybar off of that. I'm going to keep the axles, so I will have extra steering parts, but if the balljoints are bad on the '82, I might as well get new ones.

Thanks for the tips on the bushings and shocks. I'll look into those too!
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Old 12-05-2002, 04:17 AM
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I agree with Stuka a Ralph too, but just so you know. I bougth the SB2 AGR box. The SB1 is just for offroad as it is not variable ratio, and would be way to squirly to use at speed on the road.
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Old 12-05-2002, 05:09 AM
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My waggie has great steering...nice and tight. THe Chero's is a little vague on-center, but that may be in part due to the 31x10.50 tires.
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Old 12-05-2002, 09:50 AM
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that is one sweet '82 wag. I like the colors
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Old 12-05-2002, 11:36 AM
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Thanks a lot! [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Old 12-06-2002, 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by BostonWrangler:
Cool, thanks! I have an 88 that I am probably going to part-out. I can take the 1" swaybar off of that. I'm going to keep the axles, so I will have extra steering parts, but if the balljoints are bad on the '82, I might as well get new ones.

Thanks for the tips on the bushings and shocks. I'll look into those too!
please e-mail me if you are parting out your 88
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Old 12-06-2002, 04:01 AM
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My wag has terrible steering.. it could be that I lifted it and deg the front axle but never got an alignment afterwards.. also could be that every steering component is 20 years old and is nearly destroyed.... you have to be on your toes when you try to drive this sucker around.. tonight will the first time I am going to be taking it on the freeway. WISH ME LUCK! i am going to need it...
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Old 12-06-2002, 06:38 AM
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That's definately a sweet jeep Darrell and thanks for letting me drive.
Congrats,
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