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  • Kaiserjeeps
    360 AMC
    • Oct 02, 2002
    • 2791

    Another 70 wagoneer build

    I have been working on this for a friend in Seattle. It's a C model. It really needed a new cab, but the owner wanted to save it despite the costs and time involved. Sentimental value speaks miles sometimes. There wont be much floor metal left. I plan on a bed panel for a blazer to be custom fit. Any better ideas?



    I had to remove and rebuild the rear sill. I am looking for a good tailgate<---




    Complete with Bill Hirsch paint.



    Wheel wells...





    Some hammer forming





    More parts, inner rear wheel well.

    Melford1972 says...
    I’d say I feel sorry for you, but I really don’t, Mr. “I-stumble-into-X-models-the-way-most-people-stumble-into-Toyota-Carollas.” 🤣
    -----------------------
    I make wag parts
    1969 CJ-5 41 years owned
    1969 1414X Wag in avocado mist
    1970 1414X Wag in avocado mist
    1968 M715 restomod
    2001 Dodge 3500
    2002 Toyota Tundra
    2006 Toyota 4runner was Liz's, parked



    Building a m715 over at the m715zone
    Beloved wife Elizabeth Ann Temple Murdered by covid on Oct 19th 2021
    Keep a small violin, There is always a worse story than your own
  • Kaiserjeeps
    360 AMC
    • Oct 02, 2002
    • 2791

    #2


    This part took a lot of tuning.



    Always sneak up on your edges.




    So I need a tailgate for a 70. I thought I remembered reading here years ago about something changing with the latch assembly in the late 70's.
    Can anyone shed some light on what gates and years I can use?

    My 1969 1414X is only a few feet away. I have had it apart for 9 years now. Dana 60's TH-400, NP205, formerly 350 to a 455 to a LS6 not yet obtained. I'm itching to get this one back on the road. I need a twin.
    Last edited by Kaiserjeeps; 05-02-2010, 10:37 AM.
    Melford1972 says...
    I’d say I feel sorry for you, but I really don’t, Mr. “I-stumble-into-X-models-the-way-most-people-stumble-into-Toyota-Carollas.” 🤣
    -----------------------
    I make wag parts
    1969 CJ-5 41 years owned
    1969 1414X Wag in avocado mist
    1970 1414X Wag in avocado mist
    1968 M715 restomod
    2001 Dodge 3500
    2002 Toyota Tundra
    2006 Toyota 4runner was Liz's, parked



    Building a m715 over at the m715zone
    Beloved wife Elizabeth Ann Temple Murdered by covid on Oct 19th 2021
    Keep a small violin, There is always a worse story than your own

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    • Wayne
      350 Buick
      • Feb 16, 2008
      • 788

      #3
      Wow nice work. You could build a whole new wagoneer from scratch.
      78 Wagoneer 401/T400/bw/44F&R DD 4in lift

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      • Tad
        • Nov 30, 2001
        • 17618

        #4
        Very nice work.
        Yes, the latches change in mid '79, there's also a change to the bottom lip of the tailgate earlier than that, near the sealing area. You need someone smarter than me to point out exactly what it is though.

        They will work up until the latch change (some folks actually get real creative and change the latches too) but you'll have to be creative on the lower portion of the seal.
        2000 Infinity QX4, 3.3L, MPFI, 4 speed auto, 2 speed Nissan tcase, Unibody, IFS front, 4 link rear solid axle with 255-70/16s

        IFSJA WMS PROJECT
        EARLY WAG LIFT SEARCH

        ...Pay no attention to these heathen barbarians with their cutting torches and 8" lift kits!...
        Self Inflicted Flesh Wound

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        • COLOFIREMAN
          Gone,But not Forgotten.
          • Apr 09, 2005
          • 2567

          #5
          Man you have a lot more time on your hand than I do!! Very nice work!!
          Jason in the Mountains
          1978 J10 LB,OE 4-speed,4:10's,4BBl,and just 85K(daily driver)
          1988 Grand Waggy 8" lift 35" A/T's (under construction)
          1984 CJ7 12" lift 39" Iroks 1 tons
          1979 Cherokee Super Chief (under construction )
          1974 J-10 LB Buick 455 BB 4" lift 33" BFG tires
          1973 J-4800 LB plow truck 7" lift 255/85/16 LT Truxs MT's

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          • Mikel
            • Aug 09, 2000
            • 6330

            #6
            Very nice! Quality sheetmetal work is a beautiful thing to watch.
            1969 M715 6x6
            1963 J300 Swivel frame

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            • []V[]AXX
              350 Buick
              • Nov 10, 2009
              • 940

              #7
              It always looks so easy when a pro does it. I spent 6 hours fabbing up a bucket seat bracket...

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              • littlebuck23
                258 I6
                • Aug 07, 2008
                • 497

                #8
                Excellent job. You are very talented in working with sheet metal.

                subscribed!
                Terry

                1970 Kaiser Wagoneer -SOLD (currently getting built by new owner)
                Build thread-http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=103447
                1979 Cherokee Chief WT 360. SOLD
                1977 Cherokee Chief WT Sport 401. SOLD
                1975 International Scout II (My DD)

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                • Kaiserjeeps
                  360 AMC
                  • Oct 02, 2002
                  • 2791

                  #9
                  Hey, I am no pro! Just lucky. I "had" a great job teaching me this stuff. I also got a ton of info from u-tube videos on metal work. I learn as I go. Thanks for the comments and thank you Tad for confirming my fuzzy memory of the latch detail. I was not sure. And the seal area. Good stuff.
                  The search is on. Have cash.

                  This will be a stock restoration down to the hub caps. I am anxious to get all this metal work done so I can make it shine. That's the fun part.

                  Cheers
                  Melford1972 says...
                  I’d say I feel sorry for you, but I really don’t, Mr. “I-stumble-into-X-models-the-way-most-people-stumble-into-Toyota-Carollas.” 🤣
                  -----------------------
                  I make wag parts
                  1969 CJ-5 41 years owned
                  1969 1414X Wag in avocado mist
                  1970 1414X Wag in avocado mist
                  1968 M715 restomod
                  2001 Dodge 3500
                  2002 Toyota Tundra
                  2006 Toyota 4runner was Liz's, parked



                  Building a m715 over at the m715zone
                  Beloved wife Elizabeth Ann Temple Murdered by covid on Oct 19th 2021
                  Keep a small violin, There is always a worse story than your own

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                  • Artisan
                    327 Rambler
                    • Dec 17, 2008
                    • 654

                    #10
                    Regards,
                    Artisan
                    1979 Jeep J-10 (Soon to be J-30)

                    UNDER CONSTRUCTION

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                    • mark j
                      327 Rambler
                      • Jun 07, 2002
                      • 683

                      #11
                      In sourcing a replacement tailgate for my '72 I have come across two versions. My '72 tailgate has holes along the tailgate seal margin designed for the tailgate seal with built in retaining clips. I bought a solid tailgate in Arizona from a pre-73 wagoneer that did not have these- the seal was applied with adhesive. Not really a critical issue. I passed on two pristine tailgates at one yard due to their wanting $150 each which I thought was high at the time. Now that I know how much work you can put into a very good tailgate to get it to this condition I went back to this yard intending to buy both but sadly they crushed the FSJ's. Good luck sourcing your replacement. I dont know what year the gates changed but I gave away a near NOS gate from a '77 wagoneer as it would not work on my '72.
                      72 wagoneer- My first FSJ
                      89 G-wag- built 401
                      09 Rubicon

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                      • jeepjerry
                        304 AMC
                        • Oct 12, 2008
                        • 1781

                        #12
                        Very nice fab work skills! I would hate to do that kind of work on a vehicle thats not my own...
                        1977 J-20, 4bbl AMC 360/t-18,33"s.
                        1976 CJ-5, Healthy AMC 360/t-18, 6" lift, 35"s.
                        1972 Javelin SST, mild AMC 360. Under cunstruction.

                        AMC ya!!

                        Alfano Performance
                        Kenosha, WI 53142
                        http://www.alfanoperformance.com
                        For your AMC performance parts.

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                        • Kaiserjeeps
                          360 AMC
                          • Oct 02, 2002
                          • 2791

                          #13
                          It's a good friend from when I was a kid.

                          I got some more done. I ended up making a whole new bottom core support. It was three panels. I bought a 40" Harbor Freight bending brake for this stuff. It has done pretty well.



                          Making new parts.



                          Installing them.





                          For some reason my camera is bending the top floor flange. It is straight.



                          I need to do a little wheel house work. Then squeeze everything in and weld it. I will reskin the outside after the rig is sitting stable on all new floors and mounts and will not move. The rear sill is set. I need a replacement floor. A chev blazer bed patch panel looks like it may work with some edge work.
                          Melford1972 says...
                          I’d say I feel sorry for you, but I really don’t, Mr. “I-stumble-into-X-models-the-way-most-people-stumble-into-Toyota-Carollas.” 🤣
                          -----------------------
                          I make wag parts
                          1969 CJ-5 41 years owned
                          1969 1414X Wag in avocado mist
                          1970 1414X Wag in avocado mist
                          1968 M715 restomod
                          2001 Dodge 3500
                          2002 Toyota Tundra
                          2006 Toyota 4runner was Liz's, parked



                          Building a m715 over at the m715zone
                          Beloved wife Elizabeth Ann Temple Murdered by covid on Oct 19th 2021
                          Keep a small violin, There is always a worse story than your own

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                          • Kaiserjeeps
                            360 AMC
                            • Oct 02, 2002
                            • 2791

                            #14
                            Originally posted by mark j
                            In sourcing a replacement tailgate for my '72 I have come across two versions. My '72 tailgate has holes along the tailgate seal margin designed for the tailgate seal with built in retaining clips. I bought a solid tailgate in Arizona from a pre-73 wagoneer that did not have these- the seal was applied with adhesive. Not really a critical issue. I passed on two pristine tailgates at one yard due to their wanting $150 each which I thought was high at the time. Now that I know how much work you can put into a very good tailgate to get it to this condition I went back to this yard intending to buy both but sadly they crushed the FSJ's. Good luck sourcing your replacement. I dont know what year the gates changed but I gave away a near NOS gate from a '77 wagoneer as it would not work on my '72.
                            Thank you for this. And the other responses on this are included in that.
                            Melford1972 says...
                            I’d say I feel sorry for you, but I really don’t, Mr. “I-stumble-into-X-models-the-way-most-people-stumble-into-Toyota-Carollas.” 🤣
                            -----------------------
                            I make wag parts
                            1969 CJ-5 41 years owned
                            1969 1414X Wag in avocado mist
                            1970 1414X Wag in avocado mist
                            1968 M715 restomod
                            2001 Dodge 3500
                            2002 Toyota Tundra
                            2006 Toyota 4runner was Liz's, parked



                            Building a m715 over at the m715zone
                            Beloved wife Elizabeth Ann Temple Murdered by covid on Oct 19th 2021
                            Keep a small violin, There is always a worse story than your own

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                            • newtojeeps
                              350 Buick
                              • Jun 28, 2006
                              • 1415

                              #15
                              go get an old or new truck bed. Don't forget the raised area by the wheel wells! great work by the way.

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