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Old 06-21-2018, 09:31 PM
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Seat belt extension?

Hey guy's, It's been awhile! How y'all doing?

I've been enjoying the Wag more lately and last month had a couple of friends along on a trip to Rockford. They noticed that the rear retractable lap belts seemed to be short, but had enough for them. My dad wanted to see how short and rode in the back on the way back to town. He's not a huge guy or anything, but does have a gut. He told me that he had the seat belt all the way out and was a little uncomfortable with how tight it was.

Im honestly quite suprised at how short they are. I finally sat in the back myself just to see, and belted in. Hell, even for a fit guy like me, it seems kinda short/tight. Who were these damn things designed for? Children only?! If that's the case, it seems kind of odd that there would be ashtrays in the doors.


So, anyone know of any seat belt extenders of some sort I could get and leave back there? Something that would match the interior/equipment that's already there?
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Old 06-22-2018, 03:15 AM
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I recently had this exact issue. I often carry my two nieces in the back and the seat-belts weren't long enough for their child seats.

I ordered an extender from this place:
https://www.seatbeltextenderpros.com/

They were incredibly helpful - the beige colour matches my sand interior almost perfectly and they asked for photos of the buckles so they could exactly match the style.
Ignore the pictures of the plastic receiver - the one I received looks just like the receivers the Waggy came with but the button is red.

I'll try to snap a photo later if you'd like.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:06 AM
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I have no help but a thought. I have always wondered why there isnt a company out there that would accept an old crusty seat belt (retractable or not) and would disassemble them, replace the webbing, and clean them up. I have had a couple cars (mostly from the late 80's and early 90's) where the webbing was coming apart from years of use and I could not find any company that specialized in this kind of stuff. Granted, I did not call any local upholstery shops but figured this would be common enough that there would be a demand. It would be cool if we could unbolt our rear seat belts, send them off with, say $100 for 2 of them and have them cleaned, re-webbed, and sent back.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:21 AM
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Look here : Seems folks are happy with the service.

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ght=seat+belts
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Old 06-23-2018, 11:21 PM
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Seat belt planet may be able to make extenders. I sent them 1960s male & female buckles (from a waggie) and they made me 3 sets of new lap belts for my J-10. I was very happy with them.
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:41 AM
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Here are some pictures of mine from Seatbelt Extender Pros:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VGcGTq11mMQCKAES9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KhLJtAjorar7Zh4M9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/c4y2t1gNnV1Ek5tv9

I'll come back in a bit and see if I can link the photos properly!
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Old 06-25-2018, 01:01 PM
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WOW, thanks a lot Brynjminjones! Those pics look good! Same color interior as I have as well!

I'm looking at the website and it shows that "window seat" extenders are unavailable, but that center seat is available... Kind of odd. The extenders should be exactly the same for the lap belts that I have.


What leangth did you get? I can't tell from the pictures, if that is 7" or a 10".
Now I need to figure what I should get.




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1926 Dodge Brothers Business Sedan 212 I4-CRANK START
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1987 Dodge Dakota LE 3.9, A999, 3.90 gear (DD)
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Old 06-25-2018, 01:02 PM
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Seat belt planet may be able to make extenders. I sent them 1960s male & female buckles (from a waggie) and they made me 3 sets of new lap belts for my J-10. I was very happy with them.
I did a quick look on the website and saw nothing for the Jeep GW. They may have something if I were to contact them though.
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AMC 360, TF727, NP229, 3.31gears, 2" lift
Rancho 44044, Rusty's 2" AAL, TFI
...not too rusty anymore
Plenty of patina

The others
1926 Dodge Brothers Business Sedan 212 I4-CRANK START
1987 Lincoln Town Car Signature Series-5.0 AOD (WD)
1987 Dodge Dakota LE 3.9, A999, 3.90 gear (DD)
1994 GMC 'Burban 5.7, 4L60E, NP241, 3.42 gear (DD)
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Old 06-25-2018, 01:04 PM
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I have no help but a thought. I have always wondered why there isnt a company out there that would accept an old crusty seat belt (retractable or not) and would disassemble them, replace the webbing, and clean them up. I have had a couple cars (mostly from the late 80's and early 90's) where the webbing was coming apart from years of use and I could not find any company that specialized in this kind of stuff. Granted, I did not call any local upholstery shops but figured this would be common enough that there would be a demand. It would be cool if we could unbolt our rear seat belts, send them off with, say $100 for 2 of them and have them cleaned, re-webbed, and sent back.
Should be a number of them out there. Seems odd that there wouldn't be. Many cars out there that people restore and that is something that needs to be done for many after the early 60's
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1990 Grand Wagoneer-"The Crapwagon"
AMC 360, TF727, NP229, 3.31gears, 2" lift
Rancho 44044, Rusty's 2" AAL, TFI
...not too rusty anymore
Plenty of patina

The others
1926 Dodge Brothers Business Sedan 212 I4-CRANK START
1987 Lincoln Town Car Signature Series-5.0 AOD (WD)
1987 Dodge Dakota LE 3.9, A999, 3.90 gear (DD)
1994 GMC 'Burban 5.7, 4L60E, NP241, 3.42 gear (DD)
2001 Jeep Cherokee 4.0, AW4, NP231, 3.73 (limbo)
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Old 06-26-2018, 03:39 AM
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WOW, thanks a lot Brynjminjones! Those pics look good! Same color interior as I have as well!

I'm looking at the website and it shows that "window seat" extenders are unavailable, but that center seat is available... Kind of odd. The extenders should be exactly the same for the lap belts that I have.


What leangth did you get? I can't tell from the pictures, if that is 7" or a 10".
Now I need to figure what I should get.





I've just looked at my order history and mine is a 10". I'd meant to order an adjustable one but clicked the wrong button!
The 10" turns out to be really helpful and I probably wouldn't order a shorter one personally. It also makes it just long enough to use with a child seat (for a ~2 year old, if that helps).

If there's confusion as to which you should order (window or center seat), I'd get in touch with them. They asked me to send photos of my buckles so they could make sure they got it exactly right and their service was great.

If it's any help, my order history says "2nd Row Middle, Extender Regular 10" beige" but I wouldn't take that as gospel because IIRC they corrected my order after I sent photos.

I would also check that your middle seat belt has the same buckle - when I was taking those photos for you the other day I think I noticed the original middle buckle is slightly different.
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Old 06-26-2018, 10:41 PM
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I've just looked at my order history and mine is a 10". I'd meant to order an adjustable one but clicked the wrong button!
The 10" turns out to be really helpful and I probably wouldn't order a shorter one personally. It also makes it just long enough to use with a child seat (for a ~2 year old, if that helps).

If there's confusion as to which you should order (window or center seat), I'd get in touch with them. They asked me to send photos of my buckles so they could make sure they got it exactly right and their service was great.

If it's any help, my order history says "2nd Row Middle, Extender Regular 10" beige" but I wouldn't take that as gospel because IIRC they corrected my order after I sent photos.

I would also check that your middle seat belt has the same buckle - when I was taking those photos for you the other day I think I noticed the original middle buckle is slightly different.
You know, I was thinking that exact one. (The 10" "regular" beige)

I honestly don't know exactly how the seat belts wrap into the child seats, but I know it does take a long section of it.
As you say, I will get in touch with them.-Just to make sure I'd get the buckles that you have. They'd match and look the best.

I was in the Jeep today treating the leather on the seats (they were feeling kind of dry and "crinkly") and looked over my belts better. All of them have the same exact buckles in mine. I also measured the pull out length of those rear seat belts. If I remember correctly, they came to be 38" long. So, I think a 10" extension should be good. I figured (with me sitting in the back) that the buckle from an extension would end up around my mid section with a good amount still in the retractor.
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Rancho 44044, Rusty's 2" AAL, TFI
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The others
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1987 Lincoln Town Car Signature Series-5.0 AOD (WD)
1987 Dodge Dakota LE 3.9, A999, 3.90 gear (DD)
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Old 06-27-2018, 11:08 AM
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I have no help but a thought. I have always wondered why there isnt a company out there that would accept an old crusty seat belt (retractable or not) and would disassemble them, replace the webbing, and clean them up. I have had a couple cars (mostly from the late 80's and early 90's) where the webbing was coming apart from years of use and I could not find any company that specialized in this kind of stuff. Granted, I did not call any local upholstery shops but figured this would be common enough that there would be a demand. It would be cool if we could unbolt our rear seat belts, send them off with, say $100 for 2 of them and have them cleaned, re-webbed, and sent back.


There is a place that does exactly this! Ssnake Oyl Products. I have used them many times, and their service has been top notch.

https://www.ssnake-oyl.com/
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Old 06-27-2018, 12:26 PM
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Sweet! I wish I knew about them 2 years ago, though! haha!
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There is a place that does exactly this! Ssnake Oyl Products. I have used them many times, and their service has been top notch.

https://www.ssnake-oyl.com/

What are their prices like?
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What are their prices like?

They aren't cheap. But you get a properly rebuilt and certified seatbelt unit.
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