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Old 02-17-2005, 07:52 AM
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Found one for free out of a wrecked f-250 "heavy 3/4" 2wd with a 460. Should be a D60. Right?

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There are about 5 trails that actualy have section that are upwards of 85* and climb 40-50 feet at this deg.

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Old 02-17-2005, 11:28 AM
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Found one for free out of a wrecked f-250 "heavy 3/4" 2wd with a 460. Should be a D60. Right?
Umm...if its a 2wd it wont.
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:30 AM
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</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Knucklehead:
Found one for free out of a wrecked f-250 "heavy 3/4" 2wd with a 460. Should be a D60. Right?
Umm...if its a 2wd it wont.</font>[/quote]It Won't? Hmmmm everyone I have seen was.
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2wd wont have a front xle. if it is a "heavy duty" it should be a dana 60, matbe a dana 50 or 44. Otherwise it will be TTB (Twin Traction Beam)... you will know it right away as the axle is center-hinged. look for a straight axle in front... if it looks funky, RUN SCREAMING!!! you do not want TTB!
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I believe he was refering to the rear axle.
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I believe he was refering to the rear axle.
Let me guess...the clue 'word' was 2WD? [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Crazy_Jeepman:
I believe he was refering to the rear axle.
Let me guess...the clue 'word' was 2WD? [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/quote] . If it had a front 60 I would be to busy pulling it to post about it.

Question about it. Anyone know if the axle shafts are actually larger than the splined area so that they can be narrowed, or are they necked down after the splined part?

And should it be a full float? Before I dig it out from under a ton of junk, I'd like to have an idea of what is.

I will need to narrow this to about 57" wms-wms. Is this feasable. I'll also put disk brakes on it.

THe real question is; I've found one already set up like this, 35 spline (not 30) with a set of 4.10:1 gears (not installed) for $600. What so you all think?

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The 1/2 tons fords used 9" axles, they never had a D44 or D50 rear axle. 3/4 was a D60 until around 84 when they switched to the 10.0" Sterling axle (the 10.2 came later).
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He said that it was an 86 or 87.

What is a sterling? 10.0? 10.2? I'm guessing that I shold go with the one that is allready narrowed???
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Sterling is the mmaker of the axle, 10" is the size of the ring gear (also the model name). 86-87 would be late 80's While the sterling axle is strong, it has a very limited after market for it when compaired to a D60.
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10.25" is the ring gear size from the 80's to 93. 94 and up are 10.50". Aftermarket parts are available is you look hard enough, though parts are more expensive then say a 14 bolt. Axles are also 35 spline 1.50" diameter. I just dumped over 2k in my front 60 & rear 10.25". I ordered everything from Mike at complete offroad, he priced matched everything, if he wasn't cheaper plus free shipping.

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Question about it. Anyone know if the axle shafts are actually larger than the splined area so that they can be narrowed, or are they necked down after the splined part?
if its a 60, then it wold be silly to worry bout it IMO,cause you only got 1.31",30 spline shafts. if its a sterling,then im not sure,but i still wouldnt narrow it.

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And should it be a full float?
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I will need to narrow this to about 57" wms-wms. Is this feasable?
why? wider is better. more stable and helps keep the rubber side down. i think a rig looks really tough with wider stance,and the tires not all the way tucked under the body. i personally hate tall,skinny rigs.
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THe real question is; I've found one already set up like this, 35 spline (not 30) with a set of 4.10:1 gears (not installed) for $600. What so you all think?
i think its silly to mess with a 30 spline 60 anyway,as youll get alot more "beef per dollar spent" with a gm 14 bolt but if youre gonna run a 60 and want it to be compareable to the d70 or 14 bolt in strength and not leave you stranded in the middle of the hill then you NEED the 35 spline shafts. so wether your 60 is getting narrowed or staying stock width,custom shafts are going to be needed.

its a tough call wether you can buy an axle, have shafts made,bore the spindles,and buy the gears for less than $600. if the one youre looking at is sstill a full floater and allready has discs then id say youll be $$ ahead to get the one thats allready set up.

the above is somewhat irrelevant,however,if the rear youre looking at is a sterling. it is compareable to a 14 bolt/d70 with 1.5",35 spline shafts allready. like stuka said,there is not quite the aftermarket(yet) for the sterling,but a 4:10 is available,as is a detroit and the tried and true "locker by linocln" so if you can get one of them cheap,just run it,its plenty strong and doesnt need near the $$ spent on it that the 60 does.

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Thanks I'll have a look at it this weekend. I need to narrow it because I like to keep the wheels under it. Last weekend I was shut down a couple of times in the truck because I was to wide. Lot of trees and tight spost out here in colorado.

So if I understand all this, the sterling is the way to go, bang for the buck...if free.

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So if I understand all this, the sterling is the way to go, bang for the buck...if free.
depends on if youre going to narrow it or not.if youre going to need a custom shaft cause the sterling shafts need cut down,then its prolly 6 of one half dozen of the other what you start with.30 spline 60s are a dime a dozen,so if it comes down to a custom shaft(if you cant cut down a sterling shaft) then id spend a few bucks to start with a 60 center section,for better gear/locker selection if you ever decide to change it.

if you can handle a 63.5 WMS,you might look into a cab&chassis dually gm 14 bolt. you could run it as is without having to narrow,and it uses the same easy to find axleshafts as the single wheel pickup 14 bolt(not that you prolly EVER need em ) i always like to use stock,or combinations of stock parts when possible in my rigs so a custom made part doesnt fail and keep me from wheelin the rest of the weekend.

you might also look into C&C dodge or ford duallys. not sure what WMS you might get,but im sure it would be close to the 63" of a gm C&C,so you could end up with a d70 or sterling that you wouldnt haev spend $$ on narrowing [img]smile.gif[/img]
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You're smoking crack if you want to go to 57" WMS to WMS. That's more narrow than a NT Wag even more narrow than a baby Jeep.
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http://members.cox.net/tadsal/WMS
From the above:

WHO AXLE TYPE YEAR VEHICLE LOCATION WMS TO WMS LUG PATTERN DATE
2ndtimearround Dana 44 GW 1987 FSJ NT Rear 59" 6 on 5 1/2 Aug 03
Dave Dana 44 HD 1976 Chevy Front 69 1/2" 8 on 6 1/2 Aug 03
Dave Dana 44 1979 FSJ NT Front 61 1/2" 6 on 5 1/2 Aug 03
Dave Dana 44 1979 FSJ NT Rear 57 3/4" 6 on 5 1/2 Aug 03
Dave Ford 10 1/4" 1988 Ford Rear 64 3/4" ? on ? Aug 03
Kris D44 Hi Pinion 1977 F 150 Front 66" 5 on 5 1/2 Aug 03
Kris Dana 35 YJ 1987 YJ ?? 60 1/2" ?? July 03
Kris Dana 44 GW 1989 FSJ NT Rear 58 1/2" 6 on 5 1/2 July 03
Kris Dana 44 GW 1989 FSJ NT Front 59 3/4" 6 on 5 1/2 Non-Verified
mcinfantry Dana 60 M17 1967 M17 Front 72 1/2" 6 on 7 1/4 Aug 03
mcinfantry Dana 70 M17 1967 M17 Rear 72" 6 on 7 1/4 Aug 03
mcinfantry Dana 60 M1008 1986 Mil Chevy 1 Ton Front 69" 8 on 6 1/2 Aug 03
mcinfantry Corp 14 Bolt M1008 1986 Mil Chevy 1 Ton Rear (single) 67" 8 on 6 1/2 Aug 03
Netbear/Elliott D70 Dually 1961 FC 170 Rear 66" ??? Aug 03
tadsal Dana 44 Scout II unknown Scout II Rear 58" 5 on 5 1/2 Non-Verified
tadsal Dana 27 Wag 1970 FSJ NT Front 59" 5 on 5 1/2 March 03
tadsal Dana 44 Wag 1970 FSJ NT Rear (2-piece) 57 1/2" 5 on 5 1/2 March 03
tadsal Dana 44 Wag 1976 FSJ NT Front 61" 6 on 5 1/2 March 03
tadsal Dana 44 1979 FSJ NT Rear 58 1/2" 6 on 5 1/2 Aug 03
tadsal Dana 44 1972 J 2000 Rear 67" 5 on 5 1/2 July 04
tadsal Dana 44 1972 J 2000 Front 67" 5 on 5 1/2 July 04
tadsal GM Corp 14 Bolt 1983 K 30 SWR Rear 67" 8 on 6 1/2 July 04
tadsal GM Corp 14 Bolt 1979 K 30 SWR Rear 67" 8 on 6 1/2 Dec 04
tadsal HD44 1977 J 20 Front 67" 8 on 6 1/2 July 04
tadsal HD44 1979 J 20 Front 67" 8 on 6 1/2 July 04
viscacha HD44 1986 J 20 Front 67 1/4” 8 on 6 1/2 June 04
viscacha D60 1986 J 20 Rear 67 1/2” 8 on 6 1/2 June 04
viscacha D60 Hi Pinion 1979 F 350 Front 69 1/4” 8 on 6 1/2 June 04
Josh D Dana 44 1985 Dodge W 150 Front 67" 5 on 5 1/2 Dec 04
RiverBeast Dana 60 1984 K30 CUCV Front 69" 8 on 6 1/2 Dec 04
RiverBeast GM Corp 14 Bolt 1984 K30 CUCV Rear 67" 8 on 6 1/2 Dec 04
Crazy_Jeepman GM Corp 14 Bolt 1985 Chevy Van Rear 70 1/4" 8 on 6 1/2 Dec 04

somewhere between 57 1/2"-59 1/2" wms-wms

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What's your point? You'd be better off running a wider axle and getting wheels with more backspacing if you ask me. Since you are running a Dana 60 I have to assume you are going to run a decent sized tire like at least a 35? If so, you're going to be awfully top heavy at that width, not to mention turning radius, tire to spring clearance in the rear, etc.
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i agree about keeping it wide, 57" is crazy unless you have a samurai or toyota. if you are worried about being too wide for trails then get rid of the fsj, they are huge. at the very least stay in the 63" range. if you have a decent sized lift and wheel much i don't see why you would want the skinner axle (but i do realize there is a thing as too wide). and if you don't have a big lift and wheel it gently then why the heck do you need a 60?
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first off i want to match the width of the front axle as I have already done a SOA on that, rotated the pinion up and the knuckles back to the correct angle. so i'm not thowin that much work away.

don't matter anyway. he can't find it. don't ask me how you loose something the size of 3/4 ton diff, but he did. i'll just have to keep my eyes open for the right one at the right price.

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