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Old 03-17-2004, 02:48 PM
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Saturday, April 3rd. We can meet at the gravel parking lot on the southeast corner of the intersection of Hwy 74 (Carefree Highway) and I-17. The exit is #223. A good time to meet is 7:30am and plan on an 8:00 departure.

The trail is considered moderately difficult. For adequate clearance, I recommend a minimum of some lift with 31" tires in average or better condition. The judgement call is up to you though. Be sure and bring a good spare or two!

I'm still not sure if I'm camping up in Crown King but I'm kinda' leaning that way.

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LAKE PLEASANT TO CROWN KING TRAIL (rating: 3.0)

The Lake Pleasant to Crown King trail is a local favorite. On any given weekend, there will be numerous groups of four wheelers, ATV's and motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a fun and scenic trail into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws.

The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd and travels through the foot hills and up the side of the mountain, giving nice views of Lake Pleasant and the Valley.

The trail goes through the old ghost town of Oro Belle, and the cabin/ranch of Fort Misery both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the Bradshaw Mountains. All that remains now, are foundations and a few crumbling walls. Fort Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as the small creek usually has running water and there are trees to provide shade.

Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through the cool pines and into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to eat and have a drink, and a general store that sells some excellent fudge. The old Crown King Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later hauled up (many years ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the saloon was built into the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly accessable from the rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs served as a place repose for women of ill fame.

There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near Crown King for those wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is via the main road which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee. You can split off and go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to the Freeway quicker, or keep going straight and go through the little town of Bumble Bee.

Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway toward Prescott or Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during snow season. If you have the time, follow Towers Mountain Rd through Crown King and up to the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent views and you can join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.

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~Tom

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Tom---------------gwinn--------------camping
George------------George Andrews-----?
Robert--------- ---RyPhil---------------camping
Steve-------------89Grand-------------?
Ralph--------- ----Ralph (from AZ)------camping
Mike---------------Will E---------------not camping
Frank--------------AZ Frank------------camping
Mike---------------Mike Adams---------?

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Old 03-17-2004, 05:42 PM
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Can a full size 99 dodge make it without trashing itself? If so I have a friend who will probably tag along.

I will probably be camping in CK Saturday night myself. Unless we get done quite early, but I doubt that.
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Old 03-18-2004, 12:52 AM
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I'm looking at trying to organize another W-O-T for next Saturday, not this coming one but the next one. My front tranny seal is leaking pretty good and I'd feel better if I got it taken care of before this trip. This trip should be fun, but I'm not sure I want to tackle it if my tranny is still leaking like it is.
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Old 03-18-2004, 01:32 AM
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The tranny fluid on your driveway?

Thats from my Jeep at the WoT....
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I just heard stories of 3ft deep ruts and a rise that we will need to get a running start to get over. At the rise I also heard we will nearly scrape one side and on the other is a serious drop. Sounds like fun.....
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Old 03-21-2004, 02:56 AM
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I just heard stories of 3ft deep ruts and a rise that we will need to get a running start to get over. At the rise I also heard we will nearly scrape one side and on the other is a serious drop. Sounds like fun.....
You'll be amazed at how much more your Jeep can handle now that you have it lifted. Though you're likely to take on the obstacles, most have bypasses.
A few years ago I pulled a drunk motorcyclist back up one of those shear droppoffs. (about 40 ft). On one arm his skin was opened up down to the muscle from elbow to wrist. I patched him up using a roll of paper towels, a bottle of iodone, 7 gallons of water and duct tape. I did such a good job that he and his buddies opted to ride out instead of ditching his bike and catching a ride to the hospital. Just thought I'd share that CK story with you.
This trail is challenging, but I see no problems for a one's lifted FSJ with halfway decent rubber and a handfull of his FSJ brothers along to back him up. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Old 03-21-2004, 03:09 AM
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Yep. If your gonna do it, bring your FSJ friends with you!

Tom, sign me up. It is tentative at this point but I would love to make this trip.

89Grand. I have a 4" lift and 31" tires too. You will be amazed at how much this helps!
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Old 03-21-2004, 04:33 AM
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I took a trip out the Coves yesterday and the first hill climb you come to had some pretty big ruts in it and I was a little concerned but I took it anyway(it can be bypassed). I got stuck the first time but when backed up a little and got the right line I walked right up it. Then when you drop into the first cove there are like 3 different way to go down into the wash, again there were some good sized ruts but I went right down on the far right path. Coming back up was a little different because it was dark, and again once I got the right line I went right up.

I'm still getting used to being higher because I feel like I'm going to hit underneath or something but I never did. Being 4" higher makes a big difference. I did knock off my left rear bumper guard off on that first hill, but it's not very strong since I knocked it off a few years ago in Crown King.
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I replaced my muffler today and got the crack in my frame fixed yesterday. I'm trying to get everything as ready as possible for this run. Ever since I got my Jeep I have been wanting to go to CK again. Last time I was there was about 20 years ago in my '68 Suburban.

Is it the 3rd yet?
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Can a full size 99 dodge make it without trashing itself? If so I have a friend who will probably tag along.
No guarantees on the damage. All of us are subject to damage when playing on these rocks.
For non-FSJ's participating on our trail rides all we require is that they don't have a problem being asked to move aside when we're taking photos for personal, as well as, for FSJ magazine use. I know it sounds discriminatory, but we're just a bunch of mean Full Size Jeepers! Grrrr!

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Tom, sign me up. It is tentative at this point but I would love to make this trip.
Hey Mike, keep me posted when you know for sure. Just need to know if we need to find another mini-grill connection.
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Old 03-23-2004, 05:29 PM
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Who is planning on staying overnight? I am planning on it and will bring a propane stove and lantern. I'll probably sleep in the Jeep.

My son and I went out toward Bartlett yesterday. We found a 3ft rut. We went right into it. The whole Jeep felt like it was going to go over. Scared the crap out of my youngest. It was great. No problem at all.
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You all have fun and be safe. Now that I have the jeep up and around and it can go wheeling, I started working on sat so I cant make it... Grrrrr
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I prefer body damage by the means of work related not by wheel'n.
I would realy like to go,and do overnighter too. I'll see how things pan out.
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I prefer body damage by the means of work related not by wheel'n.
I would realy like to go,and do overnighter too. I'll see how things pan out.
The work related body damage is always best when the boss covers the repair costs.
This trail really shouldn't take any bites out of our FSJ's, but I've been known to make a stupid maneuver or 2 where even a housecat of a trail takes a chomp.
I'll count you in Frank!
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Old 03-24-2004, 04:06 PM
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Who's plannin on Camping. I might have to join you all.

Tom. Any permits or stuff required? I know you would have checked into it but I have to ask...
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Old 03-24-2004, 06:24 PM
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I'm pretty sure there are no permits required at all. I think staying the night is the best idea, especially after a long trail ride like this one. I'm not totally sure I'm spending the night but I'm pretty sure.
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I don't know if this helps anybody or not, but about 2 1/2 years ago I started doing this trail with a friend of mine, me in the Grand and him in a Dodge Ram, anyway, I didn't go all of the way to CK, but I must have been pretty close because we were running this trail for quite a while. I ran a lot of this trail with no lift and half bald 235's. I should be a little easier now with a lift and 31's.
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Anyone bringing SO's(thats significant others)? Mine is coming with and I was just wondering. Also, with another woman around, I might get her to try driving part of the trail. If she has a female codriver, she'd probably feel more comfortable. That would mean I get out and find another way up the hill, so I don't make her nervous.
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I couldn't convince my wife to get back in my Jeep even if I built a Mall inside it. A few years ago 4-wheeling got a little more diagonal than she was confortable with and she hasn't ridden since. She walked beside the Jeep for over a mile on a 110 degree day before she got back in. When we got home she swore she'd never enter the Jeep again and she's stuck to her promise.
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Who's all camping? I'm going to pack a simple camp (beer, tent and bedroll). With as tippy as this trail gets, I think I'll keep the load on the roof rack light. The restaurants at the top should serve a decent dinner and breakfast. Do we need to make reservations at the campground?
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