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Old 12-30-2003, 03:45 PM
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Dan, quit fartin' around and cut those fenders, geez
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I would think boxing would limit the amount the frame could flex over obstacles which I think IMO would be a bad thing. I would think you would want all the articulation possible.
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Old 12-31-2003, 01:27 AM
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Dan, quit fartin' around and cut those fenders, geez
id cut em' but they dont need cut, the tire stuffs in there perfectly...i guess my bashed in fenders dont think so lol
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Old 12-31-2003, 02:18 AM
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</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by kman458:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ryphil:
I have stock gears in it now but was planning on changing to something around 3.50 to 3.75 when I get the big tires. I am also going to put in some type of locking diff when I change the tires.

I checked prices on BJ's and BDS.

BJ's $585 Kit + $75 Pitman Arm $120 Shipping = $780

BDS $800 Kit + $0 shipping = $800

BDS includes Pitman Arm.

BDS has a local dealer. BJ's has much more than just lifts.

What to do? What to do?
i am the smae boat here.
BJ's $585 Kit + $75 Pitman Arm $130 Shipping = $790

BDS $779 Kit + $0 shipping = $779

BDS includes Pitman Arm.
what to do??????
</font>[/quote]i read this again and dont want to come off as being cheap. its just doing this on a budget means watching every penny. if i spent 11.00 extra for everything i buy it could add up to a lot very quick.
</font>[/quote]But... going with your 2nd choice in every situation over 1.4% could add up very quickly to a rig you wished you built differently.
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Old 12-31-2003, 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by ryphil:
I have stock gears in it now but was planning on changing to something around 3.50 to 3.75 when I get the big tires. I am also going to put in some type of locking diff when I change the tires.

I checked prices on BJ's and BDS.

BJ's $585 Kit + $75 Pitman Arm $120 Shipping = $780

BDS $800 Kit + $0 shipping = $800

BDS includes Pitman Arm.

BDS has a local dealer. BJ's has much more than just lifts.

What to do? What to do?
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i am the smae boat here.
BJ's $585 Kit + $75 Pitman Arm $130 Shipping = $790

BDS $779 Kit + $0 shipping = $779

BDS includes Pitman Arm.
what to do??????
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i read this again and dont want to come off as being cheap. its just doing this on a budget means watching every penny. if i spent 11.00 extra for everything i buy it could add up to a lot very quick.
Actually I would be cheaper because the price of the drop pitman arm with the 15% discount would be $63.75. Which means BJ's Off-Road would be 25 cents cheaper WOO-HOO!! Budget building is here!

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Old 01-01-2004, 03:32 AM
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ryphil.
I have a Rusty 4" lift I put on about 13 months ago. I have the rancho 9000 shcoks with the in cab adjustment.

I live in Phoenix too. If you want, we can hook up and you can check it out and take it for a ride/drive. Also, the gang is thinking about wheeling this month, watch the events board. You could join us for a trail run and see how well our different setups work.

You might have to do some serious cutting to get 35" tires with a 4" lift.
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Old 01-03-2004, 03:51 PM
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I'm not sure if I even need the pitman arm. I just included it in the price to make an apple to apple comparison. My main concern is ride and flex. I just was hoping to hear from someone that used the BDS system and could give some feedback. The way it looks, I'll be getting a kit from BJ's but I just like to do as much homework as possible. I feel like it's half the fun of a project!
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Old 01-03-2004, 03:58 PM
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Hey Will e

What part of town are you in? I'm at I-17 and Bethany. And when and where are you going wheeling? If I can find the time this month, I would like to go.
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Old 01-03-2004, 07:26 PM
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Billyrb can you tell us when the 6"lift is going to be available and prices

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Old 01-04-2004, 01:35 PM
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I would assume BJ's has done the research on thier spring and are probably a decent spring.

BDS springs are Engineered specifically to match the load rating of a lifted vehicle. These springs come standard with a OEM style rubber bushing, Teflon anti-friction pads (are a must), spring clamps which provide room for excellent articulation yet, limmit axle wrap, and are the correct length to provide the correct shackle angle for excellent ride quality. Not to mention the full life time warranty.

On a personal note Outback Jeep staff has been using BDS springs on our personal vehicles for years, even when BDS was Big Dick Suspension. We have seen other spring manufactures springs, sag, break springs, and deliver poor ride quality. The choice is clear that BDS is superior to any other spring no the market.
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Old 01-04-2004, 04:18 PM
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so here's my question....

is it absolutely neccessary to get a drop pitman arm with a 4" lift?
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Old 01-05-2004, 02:05 AM
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Using a drop pit-man arm is not nessary, but it will greatly reduce bump-steer, which is a must in my opinion.
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Old 01-05-2004, 02:48 AM
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...The choice is clear that BDS is superior to any other spring no [on] the market.
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Silly question: how is it clear that BDS is superior to any other spring on the market? Because Outback Jeep uses them? I would have to disagree Brian. Skyjacker would be, in most people's opinion, the most superior suspension on the market. But, price excludes them from most peoples budgets. I mean, saying BDS is superior to any other spring on the market is like saying BJ's Off-Road springs are superior to any other spring on the market. It's purely subjective. I would agree that BDS makes a decent spring. I would also state that BJ's Off-Road does, as do Rusty's, Superlift, etc.

Now, having said that, you would be much safer saying "I feel that BDS is superior to any other spring on the market based on.....x". Just my opinion, though.
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Old 01-05-2004, 04:29 PM
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you tell em ryan...
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Old 01-05-2004, 04:39 PM
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Yeah boy!!! LOL ! My vote is for BJ's! A couple more months and I will have it!
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Old 01-06-2004, 12:33 AM
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Or... BJ's System is, without a doubt, superior to any spring currently on my Jeep.
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Old 01-06-2004, 02:57 AM
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Hey Manhattan,

Fully loaded(I noticed your Jeep looks about as loaded as mine) how much taller is your rig? In the nose to nose pic it looks about like 4" but in the pic you have AT tire and now you say you have MT's. And how much rubbing before the body work?
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Old 01-06-2004, 03:53 AM
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Ryan, this is not subjective. When a person has been the four wheel drive industry as long as I have things start to becoming fact rather than opinion. I have only seen one of your old lifts on a customers vehicle. Yes, it lifted the Jeep and the customer was satisfied but complained about the stiff ride and average articulation. I’m not hear to discus my opinion about your spring because I know very little about your springs. Anything I said would be opinion and, an opinion not supported by fact.

On the other hand I know a great deal about most of the other spring manufactures. They are inferior. From the steel compound, to the lack in taper on the leafs, to the over all spring rating. I have been installing all types of lift kits on all types of vehicle for years and constantly BDS offers the best in ride quality, articulation, and manufactures quality. The second choice in springs, which would be equal to BDS, were the BDI springs when they were made by Warn. Now BDI springs are just Superlift springs with the BDI label. When a person is building a vehicle there are two ways, the right way and the cheep way. Either way is right, some just prefer quality and craftsman ship over price. Why would a person spend a large amount of money, only to find they are not 100% satisfied with the product, when that same person could spend just a fraction more and be 100% satisfied with the best. Anyway my intent was not to bash any manufactures springs I was just laying some fact out on the table in regards to the BDS springs.

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Old 01-06-2004, 04:03 AM
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I would rather buy from a fellow Jeeper the a Co. That doesn't not give a crap about FSJ's. Too bad that I found this site after I purchased my lift kit. next time I will know better.
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Old 01-06-2004, 06:19 AM
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Hey Manhattan,

Fully loaded(I noticed your Jeep looks about as loaded as mine) how much taller is your rig? In the nose to nose pic it looks about like 4" but in the pic you have AT tire and now you say you have MT's. And how much rubbing before the body work?
Just about every picture on that site (Meet Bushwood) is with 3" RC springs and 31 ATs. With 4" springs the 32s barely rubbed at full flex - front of rear fender. I've since lopped off 1.5" inches of the rear fenders.
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Or... BJ's System is, without a doubt, superior to any spring currently on my Jeep.
Ditto!
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