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Old 07-10-2019, 08:16 PM
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Here is an original rear door panel. I tried to restore it but it is not good enough. I peeled it off the old warped moldy door card, soaked the very brittle vinyl in 303 for over a year between two sheets of plastic and a flannel sheet soaked in 303 to keep it moist (and it did indeed work, it is soft and pliable now) Then reglued it to a new water jetted door card that had to be trimmed back. The vinyl had shrunk and it would never fit an original correct sized door card. So using the sample first run door cards I had done, I mounted the vinyl up after trimming the card edges hoping to get something on Sadie till I finished the new construction door panels. Well the chrome tape would not stick to the trim pieces. Probably from the 303 soak. I could not bear to put them on. So I am trying to complete a new panel set that will look super and last in heat and cold.

Here is the original.



And thank you Full Size Jeeper. It is nice to know I would have at least one set to sell later. It will be a bit though. I have a lot of work to do yet. And I need to make sure it is well made and the chrome trim strip's stays on on a super hot day. I will hope to have all 4 door panels and the rear bed panels to match. And if I really got my scene together, include a new headliner for a near complete interior face lift kit. I am not sure what is in my fabricating future.

Question if anyone knows.... What ever happened to Tatsayago (spelling?) over at the other site. He was going gang busters on making new door panels. The last post I ever saw regarding his new panels was nearly a year old. Did he quit? Is he selling them? Anyone know?

Anyway, have a nice evening...
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Old 07-15-2019, 07:45 PM
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Slaving over a hot stove. Ok well an oven. I am getting closer to having an interior. I am still having some heat blistering that I wish I could stop from happening. It is mild but visible if you look. I wish I had cut the blacking plates to just a skosh bigger than the stamps. There is a lot of metal hanging out over the vinyl. It is hot and leaving it's mark. I need a heat blocker that won't interfere with the pattern and the texture. I am thinking gasket material cut to size and carefully placed. I will work on something. I believe I can make them better. But they look pretty darn good.

Lots of mapping out what goes where. Marking the embossing stamps even.



Not to bad. I am going to try and emboss where the chrome trim goes like the originals. Getting everything straight is a challenge.



I ruined a rear door so I will have to do that over. But here is the lot so far. I am getting better definition from the smaller stamps. The large front door stamps leave a slightly lighter press image.



See. Not bad though.



I will keep on it. Getting some other small stuff done also. Like adjusting the shift linkage so when in drive the shift indicator is positioned over the "D".
And it looks like I might have to pull the tansmission again. It is dripping from the torque converter housing. I replaced the front seal before it went in. Dang me....
Anyway...
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Old 07-15-2019, 08:09 PM
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I wish I had cut the blacking plates to just a skosh bigger than the stamps.

I'm not clear or what the problem is but could you just radius the offending edges effectively making the open areas bigger or do you need the sharp edge? Maybe bevel them?

They look good from here.
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:58 AM
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Those are really looking nice. Your ingenuity and creativity are incredible to see recreating the originals so closely. Nice work, I will be watching when you start selling them as well.
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Old 07-16-2019, 02:35 PM
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Darn power bumps. Been trying to post for a while.

SJTD the backing plate overhangs the actual stamp pattern metal in some areas. So the heat from the overhang is causing some mild blistering. It is subtle but there. The stamps part that makes the impression I want to be square with fairly sharp edges. That makes the best imprint.

And Chubbinus, I hope to be able to sell these later. They are a lot harder to make than it looks. But as I make them I find ways to improve the process.
And it would help if I put the stamp on the right way. I had enough vinyl for the work, but I accidentally placed a rear door stamp on upside down. I rotated in in the oven and forgot to correct it on the way to the table. So I am going to by several more yards of vinyl tomorrow. I will get enough for at least 1-2 more sets.

I am tired. I need a camp out. My jeep run got canceled. I should have loaded up and met Frank Ziebert over out of Yakima when he went to the Nachez shoestring trail system. Maybe next year. There is a lot of stuff that absolutely must get done this summer. As I like to say about now.... It's gonna snow any minute now.
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Old 07-16-2019, 03:31 PM
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I think Bill should seriously buy this to tow behind Sadie! Same color even.

I would put the tow hitch back on.

https://spokane.craigslist.org/boa/d...929730926.html



EDIT: It was a 1969 17 foot Fiberform boat with a green and white hull and deck. The green was a dead ringer for Sadies green avocado mist. It matched perfectly. It was styling!
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:59 PM
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So where was I? I took a couple days off to think on some ways to do the next steps with the door panels. Then we had a stunning lightning and at least a 60-75 mph wind storm followed a three day power outage. That changes what the day entails.
My wife and I watched for over two hours a near constant lightning storm that we could never count past 5 before another flash. Satellite imagery counted 2512 strikes. We lost several trees and fortunately no real damage to cars or buildings. I spent two days on a chainsaw and we went for some drives to look for smoke a few times. Lots of generators running up and down the road.
Next month lightning will be very bad.
So a little excitement on the weather front....

OK so I have the rear panels on. They are not perfect, they have some things I need to work out. But they will do for now. They look a lot better than the originals that I tried to save.
My replacement camera takes lousy pictures. There is better detail than it looks. It must be the light reflection because the ribs on the upper stamps are all there and defined. Oh well.

I am ordering some black pinstriping for the upper chrome strip. There are three black bars that should be there. The lower chrome strip has a black stripe that is not correct or original. But I like it and it will tie in very well when the top strip is done.





I had to make my own staples. The super short staples are not available anymore. I bought some corrosion resistant staples and put them in a vise and carefully cut off the legs with a dremel and a cutting disc. Tedious stuff.



Found the flexible caulking and attached some 6 mil plastic like the original plastic. Maybe on the front doors I won't be so tired and will take the time to punch the window and door crank holes with a gasket punch. It would look better. But it works.



On the door with everything on. Some bumps and dips that might not happen if I let the adhesive dry for a day. The foam crushes and stays with damp glue.



I know I posted this already. But the perfect door panel clips are Auveco
12134 Chrysler 79 and up.



When I step back and look at all that parts I have had to hand make, its pretty cool.
I will have the fronts and back panels done soon. Then the seats go in.
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:36 PM
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Maybe on the front doors I won't be so tired and will take the time to punch the window and door crank holes with a gasket punch. It would look better. But it works.




Nah, what you have there is a pretty good seal between the plastic and the shafts.
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Old 08-07-2019, 10:08 PM
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I am all wore out. I have not made it to bed before midnight for almost two weeks now. I have had a couple set backs with Sadies build, nothing I can't overcome, it just adds time and work. On top of that last Saturday evening coming home my wife spotted a HUGE forest fire a mile down the road at a neighbors place. He was in Oregon and had a locked gate. I raced home, grabbed bolt cutters, and a 1350 gallon brush truck we have here and zipped down there to try and stop it. It was crowning up the trees and spreading fast.
As I ran out I told my wife to call 911 and come down. I was able to slow it and start to make head way when the fire dept 16 miles away showed and same with the DNR wild land fire fighters who also showed and they were 30 miles away. I personally put 2000 gallons on it and also filled the DNR truck water tanks 3 times. It was pretty much insane and right on the edge of getting away from us. Pure luck my wife saw it as we drove past. We would have been evacuated by now.

Today driving to the next town over to get a full sheet of aluminum for the press table, I spotted a fire on a rail line. I ran to it with a dinky water bottle and poured the whole thing on a burning railroad tie. Turns out it was caused by a dragging brake on a train that had just passed. OK thats enough of the fire stuff for me. It is bone dry and has been 99 degrees at the house. I went to Home Depot and bought a large fire extinguisher for the truck. No more fires Mkay?

So all the work I did on Sadies dash pad has failed. I had discovered the 4 way stretch vinyl had shrunk and un-bonded itself. It is a royal mess. It has pulled out from the edges and the defroster holes. It has to come out.
It took me two weeks to get a good used one from someone I know. It is in very good condition and I will put it in shortly. Doing this with the glass in place is going to be very difficult. But I will make it happen.
Take a look. I was pretty bummed to see this.



The other problem was with a new door panel that I was just about done with. I accidentally cut the vinyl with a blade trimming the back side foam.
I was almost done and trust me.... that was a bad day. I now needed to make another half day trip to Spokane to get more vinyl. I just did not have enough. So last Friday was a road trip. I got enough for a couple more mistakes. And by pure accident found a correct planel clip fastener for the back panels. I forgot to take a shot of it with part number, but will post when it goes in.
I no longer use a blade to trim. I use an air sander with a 36 grit roloc and it works well and is safe from a mistake like this. Right on the TOP edge...



So in my absence I have again modified the press table. I took off the 3/4 plywood and put 1 1/8 flooring plywood on in place. Plus today as I mentioned I then put a cover made from 1/8 aluminum sheet. It is very flat and smooth now.

PLUS, I also modifed the stamps. I was getting heat burns and small blisters from the backing metal. Next to the patterns. So I carefully cut out gasket material and using high temp RTV sealant, glued the gasket down to leave only the embossing metal visible. Well it worked perfectly. No more heat damage on the vinyl. Today I was able to finish embossing all interior panels. I will glue them to the backing cards or panels tomorrow. The rear panels came out exceptionally well.

The biggest and hardest stamp to do. Note the new table top.



Modified stamps with gasket material.





It was great to get such good results and solve a visual problem.

So I will post pictures of the interior when it is in. I am waiting on several cans of 3M Cavity Wax. I will be be spraying it inside each door and heavily in both quarter panels especially above the rear wheels. I replaced a poop load of metal, and it won't rust from the inside for years using cavity wax.

I am down to just a couple things left. This build and thread is almost done.

Start making room for Sadie Bill.
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almost done ?
wow, a long road to this point.

I know you were bummed about dash and door panel
I did something similar on a new door panel once

the work stretching the vinyl over the dash was so perfect
and now to see it shrink and do that ?

bum-mer for sure.

please take full shots of Sadie when done
from all angles so we can enjoy.

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Old 08-08-2019, 10:15 AM
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almost done ?
wow, a long road to this point.

I know you were bummed about dash and door panel
I did something similar on a new door panel once

the work stretching the vinyl over the dash was so perfect
and now to see it shrink and do that ?

bum-mer for sure.

please take full shots of Sadie when done
from all angles so we can enjoy.

dave in NC


I will get a bunch of finished shots for sure. I noticed the vinyl lifting in the eyebrow area on top of the pad a while back. It was not very noticable unless you touched it with a finger. Then the whole thing shrunk and pulled loose. There is not even enough material to put it back. I was also super fortunate to find a good used one. It came out of one of the camper specials that am no longer buying. I convinced them to sell me just the dash pad.

I would like to try and make a brand new dash pad someday. Maybe this winter when the snow is deep and not much else to do. I have been thinking about how to go about it as I do stuff. Probably a learning curve there also.

I am gluing the embossed vinyl to each backer board or card today as some call them. Then I will let them sit for two days and let the adhesive dry. The finger dents from handeling go away that way. The fronts look way better than the rears I put on. I will most likely remake all new panels this fall for Bill. Out of the shiney headliner stuff. I think I like it better. Anyway, I should have them done in a couple hours. Then a two day shop clean. I am starting to not be able to find stuff. I am a messy shop guy.
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Old 08-12-2019, 10:38 PM
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The interior panels are done. They look pretty good for a first run and being a total amateur. I changed several methods along the way. I will apply them on the next set. It was a long process. All I am waiting on is the cavity wax to show up. A good inside metal panel soaking and on these go.



The nickel plated thumb grommet was obtained from CB Gitty cigar box banjo supply. It was called a candle holder. It is a dead on match.



The 3M black pinstripe showed up today. Looks almost like original.





Next time I am going to try the higher gloss headliner vinyl. It seemed to have better definition on the embossing.

More soon.
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