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Old 02-19-2019, 11:37 PM
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Well I guess we are not behind on snow pack anymore. I enjoy snow, plowing digging, clearing every year. But there is always a point where I am ready for it to stop and get warm. I believe I am there. Last August we had a metal roof put on. To many leaks and I found all our roof trusses were cracked in the same spot at the eves. Plus fire protection. All the snow comes off the roof at speed. I have to show this picture as this is our view now. I have dug out the house to see out twice now. So if anyone wants any snow come and get it. I wonder if Frank needs any? Ha.

Not everybody keeps a kaiser hubcap in their living room.




Alright so the real reason for this post. I had hoped yet again to be all done with the dash. But getting the glove box door mounted revealed a big difference in flatness of the supposed to be satin black paint. I scuffed it today and shot another coat of paint on it only to find where all the dust specs were in my shop. On the glove box door. So I will scuff it again and super clean the mini booth and try again. That is the very last detail.

So along the way I was not able to get the gang plug on the instrument cluster as both the pins, plug, and terminals were in terrible shape. Enter partsdude4x4dotcom... He has made a new circuit board and somehow managed to find the gang plug. You can get it loaded with wires or empty. I bought the loaded one. Here it is, board and plug.



For once an aftermarket part is made better than OEM. The pins have a stout swedge on the backside making them resistant to getting loose.



The plug slides on very smoothly.



Now there were two problems that were not to big of a deal. But they were there and care needs to be used mounting the board. The lower retaining clips holes were a shade off. Once the screw was started it seemed to go together without to much preloading.



And a slight interference fit on the gang plug cut out. You can see it on the upper portion. A little pressure and it slid on. I suppose I could have filed it, but I was eager to get this done. Look at the nice front side swedge on the pins. Very resistant to loosening up later.





All mounted and ready to go.. By the way. I have a plentiful supply or early column shift indicators now. PM if you need one.



I cut the 1 foot wires off about half way. The existing plug is really hard to get plugged in to the circuit board as your hand does not fit well behind the cluster. Here is original and uncut.



My prepared pigtail with epoxy heat shrink terminals. I preshrunk the crimped ends before doing one wire at a time to keep from making a mistake. The included instructions were great but I just did one wire at a time.



This made much needed extra length. I was not able to plug this in without rubbing anything and scratching paint. Now there is plenty to work with. All the wires are the correct color.



I pretested each 194 light bulb and made sure they worked. Then bent up the contacts for a snug fit. Only the left turn signal bulb needed some twisting to make contact. Absolutely everything works! This is done and I snapped the cluster in all the way with a grin.



So the plastic glove box I found does not fit very well. It needs to be 1/2 longer to really fit right. But I made it work. I needed a micro switch for the glove box door clock so it could be shut off while not being driven. Save the battery. Here is a switch with bullet connectors in case it needs to be replaced.



And the switch is up high just inside the the glove box door.



All I am waiting on is a decent paint job on the glove box door. I have a couple meetings tomorrow and I hope to get paint reapplied tomorrow evening or Thursday. Then on it goes. I have a new "Do not drive on hard surface roads in 4x4" decal and a new correct tire pressure decal to put on. THAT is going to be cool! I have some extra cool very rare items to also show. But that is a surprise. It took me literally years to find them. I am all giddy.

Now where is my snow shovel.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:01 AM
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That some deep snow my friend. We have had just enough to make it miserable arou d here. That and COLD.

Started to assemble my dash and found the same problem with the plastic glove box. Did your box come from BJs?. Mind posting up some pics of the mount? I have forgotten after almost 3 years exactly how it goes in.
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Old 02-20-2019, 08:30 AM
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I installed BJ's cardboard glovebox. Installation was not so easy. Can't imagine wrestling the plastic glovebox into place.

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That some deep snow my friend. We have had just enough to make it miserable arou d here. That and COLD.

Started to assemble my dash and found the same problem with the plastic glove box. Did your box come from BJs?. Mind posting up some pics of the mount? I have forgotten after almost 3 years exactly how it goes in.
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:55 AM
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I installed BJ's cardboard glovebox. Installation was not so easy. Can't imagine wrestling the plastic glovebox into place.

I got the BJ's plastic box and it still isnt quite right. I would really like to see them provide an installation video of the exact product they ship. If they'd tried to install mine, I think they would agree that it was not made for my truck... I may actually try to 3d print one. I could probably do a better job getting the dimensions correct at any rate... it wouldn't be flexible like theirs is, hit it also wouldn't need to be...
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Old 02-20-2019, 11:50 AM
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You guys are right on the money. Honestly I can't remember where I bought it. I bought dozens of parts and stock piled them till I needed them. This being the plastic insert, it definitely needs improvement. I fed it up near the speaker pushing and bending the plastic lower flange to snap above the dash metal. As it went in I gently forced the plastic past all the metal parts that were in the way eventually getting it horizontal and able to slide in place. I had to push the front plastic ear behind the dash metal. I marked everything with a silver sharpie and removed it for punching with a metal punch. What a tug O war.

The plastic insert is to narrow width wise by maybe 1/2 or 5/8ths. The sides are forced open to slip past the screw holes. Plus the box is to tall as the top is about a half inch above the upper metal frame of the dash. I did not attach them up top.

In my opinion aftermarket parts all to often fall short. The final details and adjustments are ignored and good enough is good enough. When I make something I toil over it for a long time with every attempt to make it the best fit that I am capable of. I also test every part I make. So poor fitting parts are a big let down. Omix-ada is really bad at this. Crown used to be a great company, but some of the stuff I have gotten lately does not even fit (dana 20 X-fer case rebuild kit) Old NOS stuff on ebay is the way to go. I have a saying about china products. "It looks like a pen, but it does not write"


Bill, Patient owner of Sadie made a plastic cardboard folded insert replica years ago that fit perfect. I have it on the shelf and I did not use it because it is white and dirty. But it fit well. I will have to take a picture of it today.

11 degrees.... A regular heat wave.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:06 PM
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I just went and snapped these pictures. Bill will be proud to see his handy work from years ago. Probably before the internet.

A beautiful but dirty reproduction.



Taped together.



Great upper corners.



I had considered keeping this for a pattern. On the list for the future.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:12 PM
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Good Progress

Looking good. I bought a voltage regulator from Parts Dude.
My cluster is working great.Expensive little part but well worth it.
I can't remember where but i bought a new cardboard glove box for my 65 Glad
It was a struggle to get it in but everything lined up well.
Have you any news on door mounted weatherstripping yet.???
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:55 PM
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I just went and snapped these pictures. Bill will be proud to see his handy work from years ago. Probably before the internet.

A beautiful but dirty reproduction.



Taped together.



Great upper corners.



I had considered keeping this for a pattern. On the list for the future.

Al, if you can flatten that out and scan it, I can probably make a 3d rendering that would go a long way to be able to easily (relative term, right?) manufacture a properly fitting ABS part
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Old 02-20-2019, 05:08 PM
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I was thinking similarly but low tech.

Flatten it out and trace it onto 1/16" ABS. Heat gun to make the bends.

Pop-rivet it once it's in place.

I'd ask for a tracing of it but it wouldn't work for my dash.
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Old 02-20-2019, 07:33 PM
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Glove Box

Just looked back at my receipts. I did buy the cardboard glove box at BJ's
I's a super tight fit but it's in and looks really good . Took me 3-4 beers I think.
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Old 02-20-2019, 07:37 PM
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Al, if you can flatten that out and scan it, I can probably make a 3d rendering that would go a long way to be able to easily (relative term, right?) manufacture a properly fitting ABS part

Greg, I don't have a scanner that is big enough. I am sort of like SJTD as tracing it out would be the first thing I would attempt. Could I trace it onto brown kraft paper and send it to you?

I will say that I am really eager to send Sadie home. There are so many things I want to make it's nuts... I don't feel like I can devote time to R+D to get the several ideas nailed. Not with Sadie so darn close to being done. I will have to devote time for door panels and I am working on it. Same with the door sill plates. I am just having an issue with the longer ones on the front doors.
Let me know if a tracing would work for you. Bill would be happy to know his old crusty glove box is getting the eye.

I have Sadies old metal dash mounted for recovering dash pads. It seems like it is ready to use for testing custom bent ABS glove boxes. I will research where to get it. And or, Possibly kydex like you would use for a holster? Not that I have ever made a holster....


Stumplake, I got your email. And a reply has been sent. Thank you.
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Old 02-20-2019, 07:46 PM
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Just looked back at my receipts. I did buy the cardboard glove box at BJ's
I's a super tight fit but it's in and looks really good . Took me 3-4 beers I think.
W

Well that is cool. At least they are getting made and fit for the most part.
It takes some of the need to get them made right away. 3-4 beers sounds about right. Man, a cold beer sounds good. It has been 12 years no alcohol for me. I tried hard to explode my liver and came close, but made it through.
It still sounds good though.

Thanks for letting the masses know on the glove box.

I just had a thought.... Uh Oh.... On the cardboard glove box. Could you not seal it and strengthen it with minwax wood hardener? I plan on using it on door panels to seal them. That stuff is amazing.

Anyway...
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Old 02-24-2019, 12:05 PM
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A little accidental caffeinated discovery this morning. Since it decided to get below zero again last night, and my mini shop was teetering just above freezing, I was trying to get the feeling back in my fingers so I could pry the black cap off a propane bottle for some slowly applied heat. I had a realization.

The black cap on the propane bottle looked like the perfect diameter of a door lock cylinder. This cap here.



I put two washers in it to set the cut height and held it in place with a 1/2 inch drive extension. I got a pretty decent cut from this method.



Then thankfully I had a gasket punch the looked like the right diameter. A couple whacks with a BFH and time for a test fit. Sorry about the blurry photo. I don't have my new glasses yet.



Well I'll be..



Another.






Now I have no idea on how long this plastic will last on a door in the sun. But like Greg mentioned, his locks are loose. This could take care of that till I can cast something up.

And what is going on with the glove box door? I painted it again and it came out way better. I have had it sitting next to our woodstove getting a nice cure on for several days. This is not painting weather. So I was getting set up to put it in this morning when I got the idea on the door lock. I hope to button up the dash today. The sun is out. It's darn bright and still only 9.8 degrees above zero. Almost time to plant the garden.
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Old 02-24-2019, 12:44 PM
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Very nice. Sometimes those accidental solutions are the best.
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Yes indeed! OK so the dash is done. No I mean really done. No more messing around in, under or through it. And I will say that is the noisiest glove box clock I have ever heard. It works great. But it is loud. Like tic, tic tic in a folgers can loud. I absolutely love it.

Hey, how can I post a short .MOV video?

Here is the glove box. I even called the wife out to have a look and listen.



Now this is cool.
I had the tire pressure decal reproduced to exactly what was in there from 1970.



The drivers side decals.



The whole inside. Now for the surprises. I found a used 1970 owners manual. It is in back there.



That is cool but this rocks. I have been dying to show this. Here is an extremely rare UNOPENED Kaiser Jeep new vehicle owners kit. Every purchaser got one of these kits with warranty card, intro to your Jeep, etc



Today is a nice milestone. Here are the dash shots Jaber requested.



Hard to do the whole dash. So half and half?



The speaker grill was sprayed with cerakote. Remember the BATF disclaimer? I will spare you all.



Great back lighting.



One more thing marked off....
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Thank you Al, as usual it is absolutely amazing. That clock is beautiful.
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Old 02-24-2019, 06:22 PM
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Thanks Jeff!! I have an idea on your headlight adjusters. I need to go to the store for a specific rivet. I will get back with you on it.
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That dash looks fantastic, Al. Love the clock and the speaker grille, they look great.

So cool to see the decals on the glove box door too. I just picked up a 1970 owner's manual for mine at the Big3 Auto Parts Exchange/Swap-meet they had down in San Diego this Saturday. I will have to look for the new owner's kit/warranty cards too. Sadie looks better than new and has all the paperwork to prove it!
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Watching you do the details is great. But when you put it all together, stand back and look at the forest vs. the trees, it's breath taking. Your build makes me feel like I use the phrase "Breath taking" too much but my lexicon is too small to find anything else that describes seeing a dash like that.

I think Kaiser and Jeep absolutely nailed the design of our dashes. The early dash (like this one) and the mid generation dashes (the ones like 74-84'ish) are so classy and timeless looking. Seeing one this perfect just reinforces that opinion in my melon. I know our gauges are horribly inaccurate but they look so great.

When you buy Cerakote, do you get a good deal for a larger purchase? I purchased some for another "project" in the past and it was absolutely expensive. I loved it and felt like it was worth what I paid but the amount you use is pretty extensive and I am wondering if you have a secret source that makes buying it a little more palatable.
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Watching you do the details is great. But when you put it all together, stand back and look at the forest vs. the trees, it's breath taking. Your build makes me feel like I use the phrase "Breath taking" too much but my lexicon is too small to find anything else that describes seeing a dash like that.

I think Kaiser and Jeep absolutely nailed the design of our dashes. The early dash (like this one) and the mid generation dashes (the ones like 74-84'ish) are so classy and timeless looking. Seeing one this perfect just reinforces that opinion in my melon. I know our gauges are horribly inaccurate but they look so great.

When you buy Cerakote, do you get a good deal for a larger purchase? I purchased some for another "project" in the past and it was absolutely expensive. I loved it and felt like it was worth what I paid but the amount you use is pretty extensive and I am wondering if you have a secret source that makes buying it a little more palatable.

I absolutely feel the same about these dashes. They have so much style. I sat and stared at it for a while then went and got the wife. She was mumbling about having to put on boots and coats just to make the trip till she saw it. I turned the clock on and said, just listen to that.
Sometimes stuff really drags for me trying to achieve what I desire. But the payoff is good.

Cerakote is really a neat coating. I have been buying the sample bottles. With an exception of the clears made for aluminum, They about 35 a piece and not cheap. No I don't have a way of getting a deal. I wish I did.
I spend a lot of money on ideas and trying stuff out. Most of the time it pays off because of a lot of thought. When it does not I look at the reject idea pile and realize there is some expense involved. Wasted expense.

I know cerakote is made and designed for guns. I think the automotive applications are endless. I have found it is far superior and stronger to any paint and even more simple to apply since it requires no hardener or reducer. I have a fancy mini spray gun, but most all the time now I use the disposable "preval" hardware store sprayers. I warm them in my arm pit for more pressure. For anyone reading this I only use air cure and not oven cure.
I found the glacial black is a dead ringer on the front razor grill for the black inlay. I love the stuff. Cerakote is not super cheap like a can of krylon. But it is so good I plan on lots more in my future. I rotate my sample bottles laying on their sides every other day to keep the solids in suspension. I am glad to see others using it.

EDIT: Here is a link to cerakote. I have found their site can be difficult to navigate. Hang in there.

https://www.cerakote.com/
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