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Old 10-29-2006, 09:57 AM
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FSJ Dana 44 - SOA (spring over axle) Steering Solutions

FSJ Dana 44 - SOA (spring over axle) Steering Solutions

I’m making this post because we seem to be asked the same question on a reasonably regular basis. It will be a sticky for a bit, then it will get archived.

The topic is pretty clear, Dana 44 - SOA Steering Solutions:
It’s that simple, but I am going to impose a few conditions which I feel are simple, efficient and will help members find needed information faster.

Pictures:
Pictures are mandatory.
I would think uploading them here and using them as attachments would be fine, off site hosting is fine also, please keep the image size reasonable (someplace about 500 pixels wide) and keep backup copies.

Format:
I’d like it to be clean and simple.
Example
Rig and Axle Type:
(wag, chero, JTruck, NT or WT if applicable, swapped axle, D44 or 10-Bolt, let’s leave the D60’s for another post)
Type:
(cross-over or full high-steering, bent drag link, etc.)
Vendor:
(list as much contact information as possible, name, phone, links, email, etc)
Parts Used:
(list only the parts needed for the steering here)
Price:
(try and break it down by pieces if you can please)
Procedure:
(try to list the order in which you did things along with any special tools required)
Other:
(this is where you should list other items you used or had to modify- brake lines, perches, drive shafts, cross members, shocks, how you dealt with leveling the rear, etc)

Comments:
Please feel free to add comments about drivability, ease of installation, etc.
Do not add comments about other folks rigs, parts, prices, etc. This post is meant to be informative, not declarative. Folks can use their own common sense to make their own decisions about those things.

Vendors:
I think it would be nice if vendors wanted to post their products or services here, please invite them if you can, but it must be kept to the topic, nothing else.

Suggestions/Misc:
For this post that is, I'm open to them, but I think it's pretty clear above.
Some folks are going to want to post "see my link here", try it, I'll look through it, there are some really great sites out there. I would lke it to be detailed enough so that members can make an informed decision.
Anything OT at all gets deleted.

Thanks,

EDIT:
Please note I am editing this as we progress to keep the content related to steering.


LINKS TO VENDORS:
http://www.bjsoffroad.com/CartGenie/prod-883.htm (WA)
http://www.bluetorchfab.com/ (Dothan, AL)
http://www.partsmike.com/ (Auburn, CA)
http://completeoffroad.com/ (??, IA)
http://www.wfoconcepts.com/index.html (Auburn, CA)
http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/ (Springfield, OR)
http://www.rockstomper.com/ (Firestone, CO)
http://bullgearinc.com/ (Locust, NC)
http://www.extremegearoffroad.com/ (Orangevale, CA)
http://home.foothilloffroad.com/home.jsp (Auburn, CA)
http://www.dedenbear.com/TXToffroad.htm (Pleasant Hill, CA)
http://www.jeeperz-creeperz.com/ (Wyandotte, MI)
http://www.spydercustoms.com/ (Sheridan, CO)
http://www.the-jeep-guy.com/ (Portland, OR)
http://www.tellico4x4.com/ (Killen, AL)
http://www.sams4x4store.com/ (Tulsa, OK)
http://www.kozoffroad.com/index.html (Midland, MI)
http://www.harshterrain.com/ (Colorado Springs, CO)
http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/index.html (Tucson, AZ)
http://www.jnutter.com/ (Ramsey, MN)

Note 1:
That is just a list above, it's just there to save some search time.
Some of these vendors offer products made by others, I tried to narrow it down but I'm sure I missed a few. If you think I should add someone, please let me know.
Neither myself or IFSJA is offering any endorsment of products or specific vendors. You should contact the vendor and fully discuss what your intentions are.

Note 2:
These are dead links that have been removed from the above list. If you find a valid link for these companies, or anyone you think should be added, please let me know via PM.
http://www.redrock4x4.com/ (West Jordan, UT)
http://www.cranecommerce.com/catalog/index.php (Wheat Ridge, CO)

Thanks,
Tad
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:15 PM
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**This is a copy and paste from my post back in May 05, I will post more details as I dig them up**


I finally installed my high steer setup. I got my stuff from a guy that I found on ebay. He has a shop in Colorado, and will customize almost any setup that you want. After several converstions with him, I found out that he often makes arms and spacers for Parts Mike.

What I got for only $340 including shipping:
2 machined flat top knuckles
2 one inch spacers
1 3/4" regular arm with 1 TRE hole
1 3/4" long arm with 2 TRE holes
2 sets of studs, cones, and washers

** Edit to clear up a few questions that I have received **

1) No, that is not the proper nut installed on the TRE's. I reused my old TRE's when I did this mod, and when I removed them, I stripped out the nuts. At the time of the pic, I had not replaced them with the proper castle nut. Although, I did drive on and off-road the way it is in the pics, and checked for proper torque almost daily, and it never backed off. However, I DO NOT recomend doing yours this way, because it IS NOT the proper hardware.

2) Yes, my cone washers are properly torqued. I do not know why they stick up higher than others. The are installed properly, and I never found any play in my arms, nor did the nuts ever back-off the washer.

3) No, I do not think that my temporary fix on the tie-rod is dangerous. I cut out 3"s, then I sliced a section of .25 wall tube (IIRC) lengthwise. I then placed the tube halfs on each side of the tie rod and clamped it tight. Next, I laid a weld bead all the way down the seam on each side of the tube, bonding it to the tie-rod. I then wraped a bead all the way around each end of the tube. This tie-rod held up to numerous off-road trips, and several hundered miles on road, and it never developed any cracks or showed any signs of failure. It was never intended as a permant fix, but it held up so well that I put my custom tie-rod/draglink plans on long term hold...

*** *** *** *** *** *** ***

Here is how it looks. You can see the wheel clearance issues that I had before with 3.75" backspacing. It did not rub, but it was really close.
Well, after looking at the pics, I guess you cant tell how close it was, or is, for that matter, you will just have to trust me [img]smile.gif[/img] The lower arm on the knuckle is half way inside the wheel.





I kept my DPA and it gives me great DR to TR angle. My TR ended up being 3"s too long, so I had to cut and collar it to fit. Someday I plan to get a custom TR and DR, but havent decided yet. The same guy I bought the rest of the stuff from said he will only charge me about $150 including shipping for both arms.



A couple more things to add:

Yes, he will do the 10 degree correction for an addition $10 per arm, but I opted to go without because, (1) I am cheap, (2) I have never heard of anyone having problems without it. Some of my pics wont download, but you guys get the idea...

Yes, he has 1" arms. They are the same price as the 3/4" long/short arm combo. But, he does not have long 1" arms.

And... I know you all love my "Y" pipe fix Can you say REDNECK

Here is the info for my parts guy:

Ask for Paul at:
Rocky Mountain Machine
(719)578-5805

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Old 11-07-2006, 02:24 PM
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Will the flat top knuckles fit on my axel without mods? I am considering using them in the repairs as well just in case I ever decide to go SOA with this rig.
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Old 11-08-2006, 05:34 AM
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...Will the flat top knuckles fit on my axel without mods? I am considering using them in the repairs as well just in case I ever decide to go SOA with this rig.
Yes, that's where the later FSJ SOA rigs get their flat tops from, (also GM 44's from about the same era).
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Old 11-08-2006, 05:54 AM
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I have access to a 82 J10 D44. If I find a set of HD44 hubs and calipers from a J20 donor or something, will these flat tops also fit that set up or do I need the knuckles that go with the HD44 hubs and calipers?
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Old 11-08-2006, 07:21 AM
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...I have access to a 82 J10 D44. If I find a set of HD44 hubs and calipers from a J20 donor or something, will these flat tops also fit that set up or do I need the knuckles that go with the HD44 hubs and calipers?
Yes they will fit just fine.
Save the flat tops for the wider 8-lug setup, build it on the side as time and $$ permit, slap it under there SOA with a 14-Bolt for the rear when you are ready.
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