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Old 11-19-2012, 01:55 AM
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66 J2000 Tow Rig Build

Howdy everyone. Picked up a 66 Gladiator that I've been wanting for a very long time and have started the slow process of restoration and rebuilding.

1966 Jeep Gladiator J2000
3" Body Lift (Might have to go....)
Dana 44's Front and Rear 3.92 Ratio
T90 3 Speed
Dana 20 T-Case (I think... it's very very dirty)
Slightly Built Chevy 350
Edelbrock 650CFM (I think) Carb
Well Lining Bumper... For deflecting grizzly bears I think

Frame is in great shape, only slight surface rust. Body is mostly straight - gonna need a bit of hammering though, especially on the tailgate.
Bed has some cancer on the sides and on the floor in the back. Firewall seems solid, floor pans need some work. Passenger side isn't bad, but the drivers side will require cutting.

I want to turn this thing into a tow rig so that I can haul my camping gear and TJ to the trail.

Here's a bunch of pics to kind of get things up to speed. I have a bunch of questions.












Check out the gas pedal, it was held to the floor with layers of tape and cardboard....



The front on the drivers side need to be mostly replaced, the passenger has one hole. The rear and all the seams are really good.

One of my other neighbors are a bead roller, so fixing this with some sheet metal will be a breeze. Plus I get to practice with my new welder.







Currently in the working on the brakes stage. They would not come off using any kind of usual method.

Been applying PB blaster over the last few days, and finally assembled this:

The Claw....







Revenge:

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Old 11-19-2012, 03:21 AM
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I like it ! That's what i call a truck and you got also the cool old school small rear window
With a 100028 serial number , it means that the truck got the 327 originally (thanks for sharing the VIN tag)
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:50 AM
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If it's really a '66 and had an AMC 327 originally, it would have come with the T-85 transmission, not a T-90. It's also a Borg-Warner 3-speed with a non-synchro 1st, but it's considerably stronger than the T-90.

Just FYI. I would check the side of the transmission for casting numbers. These transmissions come with a tag under the top cover bolt, but it's often lost.

Looks like a fine project.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:21 AM
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Thanks for info Tim
That's what say indeed the service manual : the T90 was for the Tornado engine only, but if it was a Tornado originally, the serial number would have five digit, not six. So either it's not actually a T90 or it's not the original transmission
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:51 AM
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Welcome to the land of empty pockets and unfinished projects...

Looks like you found a good one to start on.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:33 AM
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Since the motor isn't stock, anything could have been changed.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:51 PM
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If it's really a '66 and had an AMC 327 originally, it would have come with the T-85 transmission, not a T-90. It's also a Borg-Warner 3-speed with a non-synchro 1st, but it's considerably stronger than the T-90.

Just FYI. I would check the side of the transmission for casting numbers. These transmissions come with a tag under the top cover bolt, but it's often lost.

Looks like a fine project.

That would be cool. It's so covered in grease that I didn't even bother looking that close. Previous owner said it was a T90, and that's what it looked like to me.

Transmission and transfer case are going to be swapped out anyway. Might not have bothered buying other parts already if I knew it might be a T85. Oh well.

Current plan is to drop in a SM465/NP205 combo with pto winch. I have an 8 lug dana 44 and a dana 60 to swap in as well.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:21 PM
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Well, it might be a T-90... somebody may have made a conversion kit to the SBC for the T-85 in the day, but there's no kit available today AFAIK. The Borg-Warner T-85/T-89 was used in a lot of different passenger cars and light trucks in the 50's and 60s, but it's an oddball in the Jeep world.

If it's a T-90, already adapted to a SBC, that has some value. You should be able to sell it.

I'm down with the SM465, but isn't the NP205 kinda huge and hang-down-ish? One of the better characteristics of the Jeep trucks is that the 4WD bits are tucked up into the frame, and the NP205 prompts this mental picture of a Ford or Chevy high-boy with its junk hanging down under the frame.

Not dissing your project - just conversing.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:49 PM
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Well, it might be a T-90... somebody may have made a conversion kit to the SBC for the T-85 in the day, but there's no kit available today AFAIK. The Borg-Warner T-85/T-89 was used in a lot of different passenger cars and light trucks in the 50's and 60s, but it's an oddball in the Jeep world.

The conversion kit does look homemade, but the trans really looks like a T90. Of course, I don't know what a 4wd T85 looks like. Pictures on the internet are not easy to find.

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If it's a T-90, already adapted to a SBC, that has some value. You should be able to sell it.

My little brother lucked out there. He's got a 1950 Willy's truck that it's going to be dropped into. Even have a chevy 350 out of a suburban for him...


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I'm down with the SM465, but isn't the NP205 kinda huge and hang-down-ish? One of the better characteristics of the Jeep trucks is that the 4WD bits are tucked up into the frame, and the NP205 prompts this mental picture of a Ford or Chevy high-boy with its junk hanging down under the frame.

Not dissing your project - just conversing.

Yeah, it's quite a bit bigger than the little Dana 20. Of course, the primary purpose for this rig will be to tow a trailer with my TJ on it. I'd also like to get a camper or canopy at a later date. I'm building for towing strength, and this was the cheap way to do so. I've already got one crazy wheeling rig.

I picked up a donor 3/4 ton '73 chevy for $500. That nets me a trans, t-case, pto & winch, and 8 lug dana 44 parts. As well as a 14 bolt in case the dana 60 I have lined up falls through. Also have bucket seats, or bench seats that are in very nice shape I pulled out the aformentioned suburban.

Total cost of getting this thing cleaned up, painted, and running down the road with heavy axles, and disk brakes all the way around will be just under $3000. Thats including the purchase price of the truck, consumables, and the odd tool I might not have.

Of course, I will have to withold on the goodies like a stereo system, ac, digital gauges ect....
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:11 AM
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This could take more fabrication than I was originally thinking....



Didn't realize that the older jeep trucks had springs outside of the frame. Gonna be a pain I think.



At least there's lots of easy stuff that also needs doing....

Got me some vinyl and fabric paint. Ran out, but it shows the difference.



Almost like new.

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Old 02-17-2013, 12:56 PM
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Been lax about updates.....

Found a donor parts rig. A 1975 Chevy Pickup with and SM465/NP205, HD44, and 14 Bolt w/ 4.10's.

Here's the bad engine, and good transmission and t-case after I pulled it all in one piece.



Slow and steady....





Welding sheet metal sucks - but I think things will go smoother on the next panel (largely because the metal is thicker and not nearly as rusty.
Primer added to the supports, I really don't want that stuff to rust out later:


Piece of 16 gauge steel cut to shape, and then repeatedly beat with a framing hammer.


Tacking stuff into place....






Some more welding:


Guess badly on the length here, kinda hard to judge when you're still bending things.


Almost done, have a bit more stuff to clean up, and I think it needs to be sandblasted. Hit everything with a coarse flapper wheel, but I think it's still to smooth even with all the scratches.
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Old 02-17-2013, 02:39 PM
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Looking good! I like that front bumper
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Old 02-17-2013, 02:53 PM
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take a moment and click on my build link in my sig. I put a K5 HD44 and Jeep D60 under my 68 J3000. You got a can of worms coming my friend Nice truck!
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Old 02-17-2013, 03:24 PM
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take a moment and click on my build link in my sig. I put a K5 HD44 and Jeep D60 under my 68 J3000. You got a can of worms coming my friend Nice truck!

Awesome man, reading through it now. I've got a thriftside bed from an old willy's truck that I'm installing as well. Looks like our builds will be pretty similar in the end.
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let me know if your getting rid of the body lift i could use it on my j200
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Just skimming over (friggin sweet rig!), didn't catch what grit your flap disc is but I have a 120 grit that will leave a mirror finish but a 60 grit that leaves a nice tooth for painting.

Need you a couple more hooker lights for the cab.
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let me know if your getting rid of the body lift i could use it on my j200

I'm going to be getting rid of much as is posible, but I think some body lift will have to stay to account for the tall transmission I'm adding as well as a few other things. I've got a 42 gallon 1994 suburban gas tank I'll be adding, and the extra room will be nice.

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Just skimming over (friggin sweet rig!), didn't catch what grit your flap disc is but I have a 120 grit that will leave a mirror finish but a 60 grit that leaves a nice tooth for painting.

I think disc I was using was 80 grit. I need to pick up a few more, sounds like the 60 would be nice.

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Need you a couple more hooker lights for the cab.

The lights up on top? Yeah, two more might balance things out a bit better. They're all going to need new seals and such as well. Don't want any leaks in the roof after all this work.
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How did I miss this?! Nice truck, and looks like you are doing a great job! Wash tht sucker and clear coat it! Petina Is perfect!
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Post up whatever your gettin rid of I might be interested in some of it
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Awesome man, reading through it now. I've got a thriftside bed from an old willy's truck that I'm installing as well. Looks like our builds will be pretty similar in the end.

If I could have slung the HD44 spring UNDER, I would have..I had clearance issues with the front exhaust crossover on the 327. Sorta looks like your 350 sits low in the bay, but can't really tell. All I can say is design design design measure measure measure before committing to any one portion, and make sure the entire system will clear everything. Also remember that stock FSJ springs are NOT designed to be used SOA. At worse, used ones go inverted right away, at best, they sag out in 6 months. I used rancho lift springs, look at the thickness of those leafs..problem is it sits VERY high, but with stock FSJ springs that seemed fine, the main leaves inverted right away from the weight. And all that was designed around 38" Super Swampers..end tire I really want to run will be about 36" at most due to my gearing.

If those chevy springs are any good, you could set up a SUF..they are designed to run flat/inverted. They're just a bit longer.

just my .02 right or wrong I dunno.
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