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Old 03-13-2016, 09:03 AM
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More photos after Bar Keepers Friend and a Magic Eraser









It brought a decent shine back to the bumper. The oxidization of the back bumper was bad. It is a big improvement, but still not where I would like (more work to come)


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A Before Photo

Sorry it is out of order, but I couldn't find the before photo on my phone. I forgot to take any of the front and this one of the back is before any of the work. This is the condition of the bumper when I got the jeep.

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The next step

At first when the bumpers were still wet following the BKF treatment, they looked fantastic. Unfortunately, once they dried the oxidization came back.

So I took it to the next level. From reading the forum and a few other sites I attempted the following process:

1. Wipe down the bumpers with a thin coat of paint thinner. Do not go crazy here. A little is all you need.

2. Use a professional car polisher (mine is a random orbital) and meguiar's ultimate compound to polish the bumpers to a mirror finish. Take your time and work side to side and up and down. Don't rush it. Let the polisher and compound do its job. I set my speed to a 5 out of 6 for this step.

3. Wipe off any remaining compound with a clean microfiber towel.

4. (I have not done this step yet) Once satisfied with the bumpers, finish with a coat of either collinite liquid metal wax or Ultima Paint Guard Plus (follow instructions exactly)

Here are the photos of the bumpers following polishing using this method. I still need to go over it one more time.



I still need to work on the lower section of the bumper before sealing it with wax/sealant (step 4)


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Here is another before but after trying bar keepers friend.


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After polishing

Here is the After of the trim using the polishing process shared above








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The 15 foot view

Here is the rear bumper from 15 feet away. I think it turned out well.
The deep scratches and some oxidation is still there, but it passes the eye test now from 10-15 feet. Later once I get other upgrades done (i.e. wood grain, etc.), I will come back and work on optimizing the shine.

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Old 03-13-2016, 09:40 AM
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Here is what I used:

Thinner:



Meguiar's ultimate compound:


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Looks good! Will have to try that process myself.
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Wlkr350 here is what I used. I thought it would be helpful to put everything in one list for people to find.

I have had these things in the garage for a while. I got the polisher for detailing my boat and now feel comfortable using it on the cars. The Dual action orbital feature helps keep from creating swirl marks - IMO.

Dual Action Polisher. You can get cheaper ones, but this is what I have and like:
(Updated link that actually works) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OIBRCQ/

The meguiar's compound is cheap and good. I strongly recommend it. I have a cabinet full of high dollar waxes and compounds, but this $8 product is still my favorite.

(updated link that works) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001O7PNNM/

I don't know where I got the thinner, probably Lowes. It was in my chemical cabinet for a while, so I really don't remember.

For sealing the bumper here is what I would recommend. I have not done this yet, because it still does not have the mirror finish I want.

Once it is as close to perfect as you can get it, seal it with Ultima Paint Guard Plus. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003I6EL1W/

Don't buy the big 12 oz bottle I linked to. Look for the smaller 4oz (?) size. A little of this goes a VERY long way. I would have linked to the smaller one, but couldn't find it on Amazon. I think I ordered it from a different site. Note: Follow the directions just as described. It feels really strange to spray a sponge and just wipe down a big section of Jeep, but it works.

Then, I would finish it off with Collinite Fleet Wax. They make a metal wax, and also a liquid version, but use the paste. It is amazing! Put it on after the Ultima sealant. This combo will really make it shine. I do this on my cars and it holds a very long shine (I will post a photo shortly).

Link: Collinite Fleet Wax http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AZOLZO/

One tip, don't let it sit too long to dry. If it fully dries and forms a very hard shell it take a lot of effort to get it off by hand. The buffer will help with this a lot too.
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One other note. I suggest taping off the black rubber bumper trim. It can be a bear getting compound off of those. I forgot this time, because I have not compounded around rubber/plastic in a while. Opps
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(Non Jeep Post, but waxing post)

As promised:

Here is a photo of my 2011 GX 460 after waxing.

I used the following steps:
1) Wash
2) Ultima Paint Sealant (Long lasting protection a beading)
3) Collinite Fleetwax. This gives the mirror shine and reflection.

Those are not ripples in the paint, it is a reflection of the clouds. I have to admit I thought my camera messed up when I first looked at the photos.
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In a few weeks when all of the mechanical and interior work is done on the Jeep, I will work on the paint and post photos.

Thanks again for the positive feedback on my work. It is fun to have a project again. I use to spend hours making my '93 Wrangler sparkle, and now I get to do the same to the Wagoneer.
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In regards to the link you posted on the dual action polisher...I could not get the link to open. I'm in need of a polisher as I'm going to be attempting to polish up the paint a bit. Never done this before so I will probably be following your thread for pointers. Any polisher you recommend other than the one you have? Not looking to sink a whole lot of money into one as I won't be using it much.
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In regards to the link you posted on the dual action polisher...I could not get the link to open. I'm in need of a polisher as I'm going to be attempting to polish up the paint a bit. Never done this before so I will probably be following your thread for pointers. Any polisher you recommend other than the one you have? Not looking to sink a whole lot of money into one as I won't be using it much.


I would strongly recommend getting a dual action orbital because it helps you keep from burning the paint. Pros (the good ones anyway) know how to manipulate rotary buffers to perfection, but I don't suggest it for most home users.

Here are a few recommendations. I tried using a different link version to see if it works for you.

Shurhold (what I have) - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OIBRCQ/

The Porter Cable (also popular too) - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002654I46/

In terms of polishers, either of these two will do a good job and make you look like a pro. The pads you use will be important. Do not use a wool buffing pad for your paint if you have never done this before. They are the most aggressive and you could mess up. It is fine for the bumpers like I showed above.

I will put together a few ideas for you on what to do to help your polishing. Post or send a few photos of what needs work and I will do my best to help you.

If it's more than I can help with, I will refer you to my "expert" Bryan Prato at ATD Detailing in Raleigh. As far as I am concerned, he is the best. Definitely the one I would trust with the most demanding paint correction needs. For you car show guys, he can help you make your Jeep shine like never before... ask me how I know. His detailing resulting in my selling my old boat for 2 grand more than I paid for it! Here is his link: http://www.attntodetailnc.com/

for everyone who wants to do it themselves, I will do my best to help.
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Asudchiman, thanks for the link! That one opened fine. I'd send some close up photos of paint but wagoneer is in the shop right now getting motor work done. My paint isn't in bad shape but definitely could use a polish. My main concern is I will be replacing both rear quarter panels in the future and will be painting the panels to match as close as possible without repainting the whole jeep. I'm hoping I can cut the quarter panels along one of the horizontal body lines and weld in the new ones. I know the paint isn't going to match perfectly but this is where I hope polishing the old paint will help with the color transition between the new and old panels. I'm only an hour drive from raleigh and don't mind paying someone to polish my rig if the price isn't too bad. I'll keep the link you posted up to the professional you suggested for when that time comes. You have any clue of a ballpark price he would charge to do a wagoneer? Here's a pic of mine. The horizontal wood strip is off right now so he would not have to work around that. I've got the wood strips redone and waiting to put back on after the quarter panel replacement and polishing of paint.
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Asudchiman, thanks for the link! That one opened fine. I'd send some close up photos of paint but wagoneer is in the shop right now getting motor work done. My paint isn't in bad shape but definitely could use a polish. My main concern is I will be replacing both rear quarter panels in the future and will be painting the panels to match as close as possible without repainting the whole jeep. I'm hoping I can cut the quarter panels along one of the horizontal body lines and weld in the new ones. I know the paint isn't going to match perfectly but this is where I hope polishing the old paint will help with the color transition between the new and old panels. I'm only an hour drive from raleigh and don't mind paying someone to polish my rig if the price isn't too bad. I'll keep the link you posted up to the professional you suggested for when that time comes. You have any clue of a ballpark price he would charge to do a wagoneer? Here's a pic of mine. The horizontal wood strip is off right now so he would have to work around that. I've got the wood strips redone and waiting to put back on after the quarter panel replacement and polishing of paint.


Great looking Jeep. Like most things, cost is a relative decision. I can say with confidence the money I spent to have my boat detailed by Bryan more than paid for itself. He took a faded, tired looking old boat and made it look brand new.

In regards to your Jeep, to work his magic is a very time consuming job since he does a multi-step process for paint correction. I would guess it would cost somewhere between $380 to $480 for him to work on your Jeep.
With this said, I am quite confident you will be blown away by how good your Jeep looks when he is done.

Here is a before and after on the boat.

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Roof Rack Grommets

Knowing I want to be able to drive the Jeep daily I have to make sure to prevent any leaks (Fortunately I have not found any yet). As a result I ordered a grommet and gasket kit and replaced all of them just to make sure everything is water tight.

Here are a few photos. It was very easy, but a few of the old grommets didn't want to come out very easily. I simply twisted out the metal threads and the whole thing popped out fine.



I made sure to clean the surface very well before reinstalling, but here is a shot of the dirt under the gasket.
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The comparison photos you posted are great! Looks like he really knows what he's doing. The prices you listed don't sound too bad considering I would have to purchase a buffer, pads, and the supplies. I'd probably have almost $200 in that plus my time and add in the fact that you can't beat a man at his own game....I'd be crazy not to let him do it if he can make it shine like your boat!
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I also loosely reinstalled the OEM carpets. I have had the full interior out while I worked on the sound proofing and dying the carpets. I almost dyed the carpet a second time to make it Navy (just because), but instead I put them in as they are. It looks bad, but I did not want to install the seats and drive with the sound proofing exposed. While it works great for sound, it is foam and scraping it would not be ideal (ask me how I know this )
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The comparison photos you posted are great! Looks like he really knows what he's doing. The prices you listed don't sound too bad considering I would have to purchase a buffer, pads, and the supplies. I'd probably have almost $200 in that plus my time and add in the fact that you can't beat a man at his own game....I'd be crazy not to let him do it if he can make it shine like your boat!

I agree. It would be money well spent having Bryan work on your Jeep. However, once you see the magic he can work, you want to be able to maintain it so you may spend the money on the equipment still... (ask me how I know )

Once you have Bryan work on your Jeep, I really like to use either the collinite or this to help maintain it. http://amzn.to/1P8U6lU. The nice part about the 2nd one is that it is an all in one product. Usually mixing a polish and sealant into one product is less than ideal, but this one has worked well for me. I just used it on my wife's 2 year old Enclave and it looked great.
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