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Old 05-06-2015, 04:21 PM
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Nice! Did you use stock length pushrods with them? or did you need longer ones? Are they chevy or ford style? I heard the SBF rollers work in the AMC's just fine...

Nevermind... I just rad through your thread and answered my own questions!
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:56 PM
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Well the issue with the AMC rods and SBC wrist pins is being resolved...
I sent the forged, press in wrist pin rods back and got a set of bushed rods for the same price! So Mr Anderson is going to re-bush the rods to the smaller chevy wrist pin so no mods to the pistons is necessary! And it was cheaper...

I will get pics as soon as i get the rods back from him!

And I think i will do what Ristow did and run 1.7 ratio SBF rockers with the MTA-1 Cam to get the same lift as the XE262, but a lot more low end grunt...
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Old 05-08-2015, 12:43 AM
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cant's wait to see the pictures.
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Old 05-08-2015, 11:33 AM
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I think you're too high on the compression to be honest. I ran in that range with a much larger cam that was 247/259 duration @ 0.050 and it was right on the edge of 93 octane. It would be much more ideal to be a full number or more lower for the cams that you're looking at. You'll also want to check your valve clearance since the Chevy pistons are for a 23 degree valve angle and we have a 18 degree. You will most likely need to cut the pistons for valve clearance. In your situation, I'd look into a custom piston in the 9.5:1 range and an AMC application.
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Old 05-08-2015, 01:35 PM
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Yea, I haven't ordered Pistons yet... $700 for custom forged for the 360 vs $400 for the SBC, that price difference covered the forged rods...

I'm going to order the -26cc Pistons to take the compression to 9.8:1 and I can borrow the bits to cut the valve reliefs using the heads as guides if I need to... Some don't recomend it, but I'm running out of budget real quick... And I'm trying to do a budget build...
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Old 05-08-2015, 02:12 PM
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I think the lower compression pistons are the much wiser choice. I was just concerned and didn't want to see you build something and be unhappy, especially with the budget concerns of having to do it a second time.

Nothing wrong with cutting the pistons that way, several have done it. And bonus that you can do it for free! I actually have a budget chevy piston/rod setup that I need to do the same thing with in the near future.
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Old 05-08-2015, 07:33 PM
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Well, Cam kit is ordered (should have it Tuesday, MTA-1 + lifters)
Cam bearings ordered
Rod Bearings ordered (STD size)
Rods are at the machine shop to get re-bushed (will be 2-3 weeks, hes backed up and on vacation from 5/9 to 5/17)
Pistons are ordered (SBC 400 4.125 bore, 4.133 CH, -25cc dish)
Full gasket set ordered

Next is to get the crank and send it to be ground...
Get block vatted, bored, honed, and bearings pressed...
Then get it all assembled!!!


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Old 05-11-2015, 02:19 PM
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Ristow, what length pushrods did you end up using with those 1.7's? I'm thinking I might go that route as well since I will be checking the piston to valve clearance anyway... The MTA-1 with 1.7's will have almost identical lift to the k8600 I have in this tired 360....
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Old 05-11-2015, 04:05 PM
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i don't recall. do i mention it in that engine thread?

if you want i'll sell you the other set of rockers i have,with poly locks for 100 bucks. i think i paid 75.00 and shipping for them,and he has no more. he couldn't compete with the chinese knockoffs and people like cheap crap these days.
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Old 05-11-2015, 04:14 PM
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Old 05-11-2015, 07:51 PM
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Are they for 3/8" studs or 7/16"?
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Old 05-11-2015, 08:09 PM
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7/16. if yer gonna do studs go big.
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Old 05-11-2015, 08:54 PM
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Which ones are you selling? I cant seem to find any for the SBF's that are 1.7 and 7/16 studs... they are all 1.7 and 3/8" studs and the BBC/BBF's are 7/16's... I am interested though!
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Old 05-11-2015, 09:03 PM
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i know,the 7/16 is hard to find. i have them tho.

i'm talking about the steel roller tip Mid Lift brand. same ones i ran in my 401. i bought another set before they ran out but i doubt im gonna use them. they have some moisture staining on them from being wrapped in packing paper,they were that way when i got them. wouldn't cause me a seconds worth of grief about using them tho.





nice feature on these...set the lobe at mid lift,and use a pushrod lenght the puts the top of the rocker at 90 degrees to the stud and the goemetry is correct.

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here's his site page,i don't think he has anymore rockers tho.

http://www.mid-lift.com/PVS-PF.htm
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Old 05-11-2015, 09:14 PM
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important install instructions.

http://www.mid-lift.com/PUB/PUB050206PF.pdf
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Old 05-17-2015, 06:51 PM
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Well I got a bunch of parts on Friday! I wasn't expecting to get my rods back for at least another week, but they were ready on Friday!

MTA-1 Cam, lifters, lube, and all my bearings!

Re-Bushed Forged Rods:

SBC 400 Pistons, 1.433 CH -24cc dish (couldnt get 25 or 26)


And a piston installed on a rod... Floating wrist pins with spirolocks...


Now all i need to do is have the block machined, and crank ground... Should have the crank by the end of this week hopefully, so i can send it to be ground...
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Old 05-18-2015, 12:10 AM
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King bearings. Nice. Half groove or full groove mains?
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Old 05-18-2015, 05:33 PM
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I went with half groove bearings... I have read a lot on 1/2 vs 3/4 vs full and it almost seems like personal preference...
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Old 05-18-2015, 07:33 PM
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i like half groove better. they also give a better oil wedge.
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