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Old 05-23-2022, 10:47 AM
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There is a resistance wire on the battery side of the solenoid, and it checks as good, and wired to coil.

We picked up a new OEM coil, and it is one that does not clarify to use a resistor or not, so we wired one in. Getting 9V to resistor input, but only 3V on output to the coil.

Have the 1984 schematic (V8) and printed ECM wiring directions, Mongo228's CJ7 he just went through the same thing, where he tore out the HEI and went back to ECM.

We have this wired the same as that, but still working with 1 or 2 splices the PO had in the path (so might need to do something there), but connections confirmed correct per schematic print.

Another point, we have 12.7V engine side of ECM plugs, but thinking we might have a **battery issue. Pulled from another truck, and battery only a year old, but the other truck would bleed the battery down with all the electronic crap in it.

Going to take the battery to store and have it tested. Voltage is 12.7, but cranking it struggles. Could be our weak link we are overlooking?

**Battery from 2007 Blazer that tags are expired and never gets driven. My dad had to leave it here when he flew back to ND a couple years ago, and said he was coming down last year to get it, so I bought a new battery for it. He was unable to make the trip, but still no tags. It sits!

Next step.....drop A/C vent under column, and clean up start switch.

Saw a note on another thread to look for ampmeter wiring when under there, as it could be a problem later.
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Old 05-23-2022, 11:17 AM
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Dang! That's a killer! tough one for sure. Are you getting a pickup signal from the dizzy? the connecters and wires at the distributor are known to fail, too.
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Old 05-23-2022, 11:42 AM
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Come to think of it......we did not check that.

PO left all the OEM wiring in, so we plugged ECM and distributor in, then focused on PS fender connections etc.

Will check that to be sure it works.

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Old 05-23-2022, 11:49 AM
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Thoughts from "jaber" from another thread

The drivers side air duct comes off separate from the rest of the unit. Sometimes loosening the 2 bolts that hold column bracket to dash helps. While under the dash look up at the back of the instrument panel, your 84 will have an Amp meter. Check to see if the 2 large main feed wires are on the SAME lug. If they are on separate lugs then the Amp meter might be part of the problem. There have been stories about them burning Jeeps down.
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Old 05-23-2022, 01:54 PM
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Good call! I replaced the ammeter in my Cherk a while ago with a Volt meter. Used this write up and it went dramafree:
http://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=150396
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Old 05-23-2022, 01:56 PM
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Good to have additional info, as gauge cluster needs to drop out for cleaning/repair, and would be a good time for that work.

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Old 05-30-2022, 08:06 PM
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Here is an "81 Grand Wagoneer, the same color as my '84, with the Rhino Grill.

I want to do this to mine.

a9e4331d73bfc6223d351531f1a63e91 by Scott Weckerly, on Flickr
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Old 05-31-2022, 11:29 AM
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I just watched a Rhino grill sell for $753 on Fleabay last week.
This one
It's more work than you think to swap to a rhino; when you remove your grill, you should remove all the brackets that are spot welded. There will also probably be a ton of creases in the sheet metal at the bottom, the hood arch around the top is not quite the same either (the arch is much more graceful on our later rigs than the older rigs) and when you put a Rhino in there it leaves some gaps.

I have to be honest, I like Rhino's but think they are a little over rated. I think a clean Pignose like yours is unique and one of my Favs.
Here is where I rebuilt by pignose... twice.
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=181892
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Old 05-31-2022, 12:32 PM
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Yes, thoughts to be mulled around in the gray matter.....

As far as I know, without micro inspecting my current grill, it is only peeling off the top of the nose with no other damage noted.

Will check it better, to see if it is in as good of shape as I suspect, and really not opposed to keeping the original grill, but the Rhino does look nice too.

Definitely want a couple of the 401 emblems, and like the mount along the hood.
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Old 05-31-2022, 12:39 PM
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Another option I am thinking about, for the hood that is.

I live in the desert, with summer temps 110*+ at times, so cooling is priority above most other functions, when enjoying our builds here at that time of year.

Thinking of adding a low profile reversed hood vent, for hot air flow out of the engine compartment.

As trail speeds vary from a crawl to what....20-30 mph tops for very short distance, I want something to allow gravity venting of heat from the engine bay.

Most trail drives with my CJ5, I never get out of 4 low, but the Wagoneer has a lot more engine and congestion in the engine bay to limit air flow.

Not concerned at higher speeds, just slow trail speeds to allow better cooling.

Prefer metal over ABS or plastic.
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Old 05-31-2022, 08:43 PM
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Slow speed trail riding - cooling advice.

Not sure what fan you have, but an good shroud with an electric fan is the best for cooling and low speeds.

Much better to adapt a OEM fan/shroud of some type generally.
Those are engineered to have good airflow.
Many aftermarket shrouds just don't flow air well.

( Note - I was a Jeep engineer for 30+ years. We tested many configurations and airflow engineering is a thing.)
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Old 06-01-2022, 10:11 AM
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All looks OEM with shroud and clutch fan, which as designed I think should be just fine with this rig, as I want it primarily for pulling our camper on interstate to/from camp ground.

Maybe an occasional light trail run, but nothing crawling around like I do with the CJ5, so thought allowing the heat out from above the engine would be helpful?

Or...is the engine bay with hood closed and driving any speed it would cool best...as designed?

Left alone and not venting the hood, the air will flow in from the radiator, be pushed back and down around the engine, then out under the body to flow away from the engine bay?

Is this the same concept as back pressure in an exhaust system needed for the correct power and cooling for proper engine performance?

Currently not funded for electric fan purchase, and (no pun intended) not a fan of going electric.

I'm happy to leave it with clutch fan, just checking on hood venting before doing something that does nothing good, or detrimental to the truck.
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Old 06-03-2022, 12:50 PM
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BTW, did you get your engine to fire over?
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Old 06-03-2022, 01:04 PM
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Not yet

Turns over but gleaning information to verify wiring, and trying to recover from sinus cold...or something.

Seemed I started the sinus thing when Pig showed up in my driveway.

Stayed off working on it for 2 weeks, to see if that had something to do with my condition, and finding out I am feeling better.

Lots of rat droppings in/around engine bay (power washed when it came home on 4-11-22), and 18 years of dust from a different area of the desert than where I live, has me convinced I need to mask up when working on it.

Have a new start switch coming this weekend (thanks Mongo228), and cleaning will commence to get rid of as much of the crud I can, so we can revive this truck and have it for many years of fun.

Found some wiring variables on another thread/site, will investigate that, and install new start switch with clean connections.

More to come
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Mouse droppings in AZ? Look up Hantavirus.

I'd rather get the other virus du jour.

Could hose it down with bleach but that's worse than salt for causing rust.
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Old 06-03-2022, 02:20 PM
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Right....

Was thinking of spraying it down with Lysol :/

But if we get it running, maybe heat from running it will kill/clean out some of the cruds?

I have some degreaser too I could try. Would pretty it up better for the kill.....said the spider to the fly!
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Old 06-05-2022, 05:53 PM
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UUUUGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!

Another day trying to get spark from the new coil, and now new start switch, with same results.....nothing!!!!!

Took new coil off Wagoneer, and tried it on my CJ5.....popped right off....ok coil good!

Checked spark checking tool on CJ5.....works perfect.

Checked solenoid function on Wagoneer, against function on CJ5....same results.....its ok.

Took coil wire off Wagoneer, and tried it on the CJ5. Different wire but jammed a wrench between them and CJ5 fired right up.

WHERE'S THE DAMN BALING WIRE!!!!!!

UGH.....took apart more disintegrating loom off the wires, to make sure we are tracing through correctly, and continuity tests are valid.

Tested voltage again....ohms again......connections again.....splices again.....schematics again......tools and testers again......

Mongo228 and I are at a standstill, where it is simply time to disconnect everything factory or otherwise from the start/run function, and start building back from scratch.

No other way found out of the electrical tunnel we fell into!

Thoughts anyone?
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When did it last run? Did you check compression? Maybe the rings are stuck and you have no compression? You have tried starting fluid? You verified the pickup in the dizzy if working?
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Have you cranked the engine over with the cap off to verify the rotor is turning?
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As far as I know, it last ran 18 years ago when parked.

There is good draw through the carb, and was said to have only 2000 miles on rebuild.

We did initially put gas in bowl and down the throat, but issue is no spark off coil.

We did check the dizzy is turning, but did not test the pickup.

Only checked wires and all look good.

We discussed it, but do not know how to check the pickup.
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