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Old 06-01-2020, 09:46 PM
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Not at all. Greatly appreciated from nashville.
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Old 06-01-2020, 09:48 PM
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Not at all. Greatly appreciated from nashville.
What he said!
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Old 06-02-2020, 06:09 AM
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Nope.. I will be happy with the stock power. it's a Jeep and tow rig.
While reading through your thread I noticed this post. I also would be happy with stock power, but I could not help but daydream about more power. I had a brief idea of building a QT Cherokee into a classic version of a Grand Cherokee Trackhawk. I noticed that my 78 Cherokee, as equipped, weighs in at about 900 pounds less than a brand new Trackhawk. It would be fun to have an old Cherokee stomp the shiny new toys that Jeep puts out today. Especially since people think older vehicles are too heavy. I decided that my 40+-year-old QT would not be able to handle the 700 hp that would be required.
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Old 06-02-2020, 07:16 PM
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Help! Brakes .. UGH

My last big issue is packaging some sort of brake system in this space. There is not enough room to the valve cover, not even close for a 7" booster.

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I was figuring hydraboost.. BUT - it seems all the systems have the accumulator on the INBOARD side. Well, that's where I need the space. Uh oh...

So I found some bell crank units that offset the vacuum booster to the outside... that might work?
Are our Jeep brakes based on a GM system? I think so.
Trying to figure out bolt mounting patterns and the like has not been easy.

THEN - I found a hydraboost system made by CPP. It has the accumulator on the outside... Even then it's going to be close, and I'll have to relocate the oil dipstick it looks like.

It includes a master cylinder and an adjustable prop valve attached below the booster. I was going to move the original prop valve anyway, so this might be a good choice.
Excited, but can't find much in the way of info on the mounting dimensions... That's very disappointing.

So - after 2 weeks of thought.. I ordered it from Summit tonight. I am pretty sure it is based on GM stuff.

So again, does anybody know if our brakes are GM based?
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Old 06-02-2020, 10:14 PM
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Can't answer the GM question but I read you could run the HB upside down putting the accumulator high on the other side. I was going to do it until I decided to go to a hydraulic clutch. It would've interfered with the clutch master.

This was to get it away from the turbocharger. It didn't touch since I had already moved the M/C to the other side of the brake pedal but I wanted it away from the heat.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:45 AM
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I run mine upside down Jim. It's an Astro Van booster with the bracket to fit our rigs. That said, my pedal is so high, my knee hits the steering wheel sometimes.








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Old 06-03-2020, 02:57 PM
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That is looking great! I am a fan of VHT products so I will have to consider that paint for some of my engine detailing if I ever get to that point.
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:20 PM
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[quote=bkilby]I run mine upside down Jim. It's an Astro Van booster with the bracket to fit our rigs. That said, my pedal is so high, my knee hits the steering wheel sometimes.


So... that bolted right up to the SJ adaptor bracket? I may have to investigate that set up as a cost savings idea.

As for pedal height.. you can get adjustable rods and set the height.
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'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

"Madness" build here:
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:30 PM
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Ugh - Vents.

Well, I've been avoiding this task... I have to rework and get my vents working. Figured since the emergency brake cable is already off, now is the time to do it. So off it comes.

Now, I have already cleaned out the vent area.. or so I thought. NOPE. When I pulled the vent assembly out, it was still full of leaves. Dang. A couple sessions with the shop vac got it cleaned out. Or so I thought.

After vent was removed driver side...

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Then I put my hand down into the black hole.. and felt some more stuff . . . Pulled out this …. wth.

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This had trapped some debris at the bottom. once I got this out, it was cleaned fully. got the driver side working great..

Pass side? not so much. Got it all cleaned up.. but found out the cable is broken. I don't see parts for sale anywhere. So JB weld tomorrow I guess.
The plastic chrome is pretty shot as well.... Any suggestions for replacement parts folks?
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'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

"Madness" build here:
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Old 06-04-2020, 04:41 PM
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I run mine upside down Jim. It's an Astro Van booster with the bracket to fit our rigs. That said, my pedal is so high, my knee hits the steering wheel sometimes.


So... that bolted right up to the SJ adaptor bracket? I may have to investigate that set up as a cost savings idea.

As for pedal height.. you can get adjustable rods and set the height.




I bought mine from Elliot on this forum but he also sells on Ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-74-91-A...AOSwBahVTe6 x


You're right. I forgot that rod is adjustable. Gonna have to give it a try if there's any room left to adjust.
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Old 06-04-2020, 04:45 PM
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Oh! And if you do buy from Elliot, tell him you want it flipped over and I believe I might have bought the spitter fitting from him. You might ask but if he doesn't have it....
https://www.ebay.com/c/14032651883
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Old 06-06-2020, 08:57 PM
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Oh! And if you do buy from Elliot, tell him you want it flipped over and I believe I might have bought the spitter fitting from him. You might ask but if he doesn't have it....
https://www.ebay.com/c/14032651883

Going to contact him.. that looks interesting!
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'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

"Madness" build here:
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Old 06-06-2020, 09:04 PM
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Dana 300 Shifter

Got the trans cover cut out for the CJ shift rod. I made a cardboard templet located off 2 of the mounting holes to get started... Then tweaked from there. Plan to cover this hole with a CJ T-case boot. I will also add a water deflector below the floor to help keep water away from the hole in the floor.

Note, marked all shift locations after cutting the hole. Left some extra room for engine bounce and roll.

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This clears the seat and the glove box when opened in all positions... floors are gonna need some POR ! { later }

[IMG][/IMG]

Also, good news.. the ECU and wiring shipped out Friday. One step closer . . .
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'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

"Madness" build here:
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Old 06-07-2020, 08:39 PM
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Jim
I saw you were looking for a Hydroboost for your brakes with the cannister facing the fender. Talked to Elliott and his fit either way. You should touch base, I used his system and he is really knowledgeable. always gets back to you within a couple hours.
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Old 06-07-2020, 09:34 PM
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Jim
I saw you were looking for a Hydroboost for your brakes with the cannister facing the fender. Talked to Elliott and his fit either way. You should touch base, I used his system and he is really knowledgeable. always gets back to you within a couple hours.


Thanks.. Whats his user name?

I don't think hes on here or posts any more?
Can you PM a phone number or email please?
Need to ask a few questions....
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1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
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'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

"Madness" build here:
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Old 06-12-2020, 09:25 PM
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In Today's News . . .

Been a slow week for progress … Why? I have been trying to figure out what to do about the offset rear axle with a center output t-case. I asked in the general section.. seems more than a few think I can run this with no major issues. Hmm... I think I am going to order a rear shaft with a double Carden. Maybe, I think.. not really sure yet! lol

I was able to determine a centered diff will hit my fuel tank.. so that option is off the table. And still deciding on a brake solution.

Now.. in todays news... The powder coater finally got my inner fenders and GOR done. picked them up.

[IMG][/IMG]

So that led to this.. let's test fit some parts.. mainly the radiator so I can start to plan hose routing. Hmm... It isn't sitting right ??

[IMG][/IMG]

Uh oh.. found the issue. My lower fan mount is hitting the steering box. Luckily, I can cut that corner off with no real issue to the fan mounting.
[ I was suspicious of this early on, but designed this without the GOR ]

[IMG][/IMG]

Get the jig saw.. and made some clearance....

[IMG][/IMG]

Now it fits. Plenty of room for hoses. Keep in mind, I removed the fan for this test fitting.. It sticks out another 4 inches or so.

[IMG][/IMG]
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Question: How much room is there between the AC condenser and radiator when installed? Is there room to mount a cooler in between them? TIA
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1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
2001 XJ : Driver 2016 JK 2 door

'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

"Madness" build here:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=89280

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Old 06-14-2020, 09:58 PM
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Weekend Update . . .

Had a productive weekend of fun / Jeep work. Not a ton finished, but all the details take time and tweaking !

First up: Removed the vacuum pump as I have to go to hydraboost. This requires plugging the 2 oil holes. There is a plug kit that uses a GM part. One is in, the other is in process here. Allen wrench installation ...

[IMG][/IMG]

Then.. started to look at putting the pass side inner fender on to help hold up the GOR so I can actually set up the radiator and coolers.

Right away I find issue one... The battery support is hitting the added PS belt and pully.

[IMG][/IMG]

So.. out comes the saw... and made some clearance. Look close, it's hard to see the new cut line. That will give clearance with engine roll as well.

[IMG][/IMG]

Also nipped the corner of the batt tray as the PS return hose would have been pretty close. Might have been OK, but I had the saw out . . .
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'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

"Madness" build here:
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Old 06-14-2020, 10:19 PM
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Next up . . .

After trimming and some test fitting, I loosely bolted the pass inner fender into place. more tweaking, and it seems to fit... THEN added the front valance too.
Need all the front parts in place to do final checks and planning for cooling module.

[IMG][/IMG]

[IMG][/IMG]

OK .. Radiator fits. Now adding the aux trans cooler. I want to add it in between the AC condenser and rad. We'll see if it fits!
Step one, mount cooler with some tiny self tapping screws and the pull through mounting straps that come with the cooler.

[IMG][/IMG]

Next up, bolted in the condenser and rad together to see if I have room. Almost!

[IMG][/IMG]

View from below: It fits, but was very close to the sheet metal... out comes the saw... marked it up and cut a little insurance room.
I also tweaked the lower mounting holes on the condenser. This let me swing it outward ever so slightly.

[IMG][/IMG]

I hooked up all the lines to newly installed fittings. Cool thing is I used the original GM trans cooler hoses. That was a bonus!
All this took a lot of time and tweaking, but it is right and solid now. Ready to go!
Note: Lots of room for airflow between fan and engine. I will have no cooling issues!

[IMG][/IMG]

I will be mounting the PS cooler low on the front frame cross member. Need to make a couple of brackets next for that . . .
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1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
2001 XJ : Driver 2016 JK 2 door

'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

"Madness" build here:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=89280

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Old 06-16-2020, 09:15 PM
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Plumbing Day . . .

Today I added the heater hoses and clamps... Will be able to reuse the hose locator piece that attaches to the fender once I get it cleaned up.

I also tightened GOR/Pass inner fender bolts. This entailed adding the Batt tray and the support strut that mounts on a stud down by the body mount. I could NOT get the nut started?? Hard to reach now it's in the vehicle.

Struggled for a long time before I figured out the problem. Turns out I should have taped off the threads to keep the powdercoat off the threads. Oops. Had to use a Dremel to remove the powdercoat to get the nut on. Ugh..

[IMG][/IMG]

The wiring arrived today.. but burned out so that will be opened up tomorrow.
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1979 Chero: "Madness" [Sold]
1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
2001 XJ : Driver 2016 JK 2 door

'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

"Madness" build here:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=89280
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Radiator Hoses . . .

Needed to come up with the upper and lower radiator hoses to fit this combination of parts. Here's how I worked it out.

After I had the radiator all mounted up, I took a metal rod and bent it up from center to center of the holes for the radiator and engine block. [Both top and bottom]. Note, they are different sizes of course.

Top hose was modified from NAPA hose 9126 :

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Lower hose was made from NAPA hose 8400 :

[IMG][/IMG]

This method entails working with your local auto parts store to look for a hose that is a very close fit.
It does NOT have to be perfect, just very close. After all, it's rubber and pliable.
You then cut it to "fit" ... If you don't have a proper hose cutting tool, I strongly suggest getting one...

[IMG][/IMG]

And we have rad hoses! All clamped up and ready to go... Added the steam port line as well. Now, still have a large hole in the side of the block... more on that later.

[IMG][/IMG]

It's getting weird now.. putting stuff back together vs taking stuff apart. I am hoping to start the engine in 3 or 4 weeks....
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1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
2001 XJ : Driver 2016 JK 2 door

'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

"Madness" build here:
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