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Old 11-20-2018, 10:57 AM
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I am patiently waiting on some 3M flexible sandable plastic filler and more glue to reskin the dash pad. Hopefully it will all be here today or tomorrow.
I have a pad sanded, flaws cut open, and a jig built for helping me with the replacement vinyl installation. I hope to have something by the weekend.

I wondered if anyone out there has a bare bones D model wagoneer that could tell me what the trim tag numbers should be. I have the paint code, I need the trim numbers. It has no frills. Rubber mat, bench seat, no exterior trim, just a simple out the door wagoneer. The paint and trim metal tag should be back above the heater box on the passenger side fire wall.

12 degrees this morning. Makes heating the shop a bit of a task.
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Old 11-22-2018, 06:04 PM
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Old 11-23-2018, 10:20 AM
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toddthewelder,......
...a statue in toledo ?.... FUNNY, and good idea too
( lets start a petition )

KAISERJEEPS
I am sure you know this,.. but JUST DASHES is a company who re-skins dashes.

but from what i have seen ,...you dont need them,...

the dash looks really nice.


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Old 11-23-2018, 06:33 PM
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toddthewelder,......
...a statue in toledo ?.... FUNNY, and good idea too
( lets start a petition )

KAISERJEEPS
I am sure you know this,.. but JUST DASHES is a company who re-skins dashes.

but from what i have seen ,...you dont need them,...

the dash looks really nice.


dave in NC


As long as the statue is one of me inside a Kaiser made wagoneer in bronze, I am good with that...

And Just dashes would relieve me of roughly 1000.00 bucks for a dash pad.
They have a pretty interesting video of their repair process. I wanted to try and reskin one. I just finished this afternoon. I am getting a post ready.

But thanks though.....
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Old 11-23-2018, 07:28 PM
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Another first here. And as usual I would do things a little bit differently with the next one. If there is a next one. I am sure there will be....
With no idea IF what I had in mind would work, I was able to reskin a dash pad today after a lot of repair work. I had ordered a product called rub and restore for the vinyl filling. Impressed with their repair videos on furniture, I had ordered it and it was in the fridge waiting to be used. Well I started wondering if it would hold up to the heat the dash will see mid summer. So I changed my mind and ordered a 3M product that is a sandable flexible plastic epoxy made for bumpers. 3M stuff always works. So when it came in I started in. First I sanded the high spots down with an air sander with a 2 inch disc. Then using heat gun heated the problem areas so I could cut out the broken vinyl with an exacto knife with a number 11 blade. Do it cold and the brittle plastic vinyl will spider crack and make the repair area bigger. Heated it slices out well.

Check out the bubbles in the foam from the factory. This made two big bumps.



I worked each flaw. Get rid of the high spots. Rough up the surrpounding vinyl. Someone had screwed down something on the center and it did this.



The edges had impact marks that dented the vinyl. I used a coarse file here.



This is what I used. 3M products are great.



Dispensed with this. This gun comes with several plungers for all the different formulations 3M sells. Just pick the one that fits. The gun is worth the money.



Applying and using a bondo spreader, wetted the surface and then filled it up above level for a sand back.





Lots of sanding. It sands well and is pretty easy to work with.








Then time for new vinyl and glue. First I needed a rail up front to hold the glued vinyl away from the dash pad. Got that installed then clamped a metal square tube for my wife to pull against. The rear edge of the vinyl was clamped between two 2x4s in back. I marked the vinyl with a sharpie so I did not waste glue.



Lots of practice runs on what might work best. All the contours were going to be a challenge. I had purchased this extra flexible vinyl last year. With this in mind.




My wife held the bar up for the first attachment on glue. But first here is the glue. I changed the spray nozzle for a wider spray. It left some streaks that I smoothed with a linoleum roller later. A wide spray pattern would eliminate the work there.



Lots of edge work after the top and front got glued. The eyebrows were tough. I really had to stretch the vinyl over. Turns out that area was not the problem. The very ends over by the doors have a couple minor wrinkles that were just about impossible to avoid. Over all I am pretty pleased with it.

Before smoothing and edge work. See all those little white dots on the right of the picture behind the pad? Cat scratch marks from my two monsters. They know better. Another reason I am really grateful for the new mini shop where this works is to be done. No catnip for them!!









It is not to bad. It is sitting on the back of the sofa in the same room as our wood stove. A night of curing and heat and it should be able to be installed this weekend. Then I call for a windshield installation.

As long as it holds up well to heat and does not bubble or delaminate, I will be satisfied with it. I am not able to detect the repaired areas filled with 3M filler. It is done....
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Old 11-23-2018, 07:49 PM
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As always Al, that looks amazing!! We definitely need to get that petition circulating
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:05 PM
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Still looking for trim tag numbers for a D model with no frills. Anybody have one they can check?


So the dash pad is in with help from my wife. We were careful not to scratch the dash paint with the clips that hold the pad on. I had to lay on the floor with a head lamp and guide the clips in each hole. Not to difficult once I could see.



I am using 5/8 heater hose to hold it down in between the clips till the gasket goes in. The clips are stainless made from my old BBQ.



Looks pretty good. I am happy with it.



Glass is scheduled for Saturday. That is going to be cool. I can then wash it which is really needed. Despite having a cover a lot of dust has made it's way in. Another step done...
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Old 11-27-2018, 11:46 AM
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Still looking for trim tag numbers for a D model with no frills. Anybody have one they can check?


So the dash pad is in with help from my wife. We were careful not to scratch the dash paint with the clips that hold the pad on. I had to lay on the floor with a head lamp and guide the clips in each hole. Not to difficult once I could see.



I am using 5/8 heater hose to hold it down in between the clips till the gasket goes in. The clips are stainless made from my old BBQ.








Looks pretty good. I am happy with it.



Glass is scheduled for Saturday. That is going to be cool. I can then wash it which is really needed. Despite having a cover a lot of dust has made it's way in. Another step done...


I am sending you my pad today. Can you have it fine in 2 days?
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Old 11-27-2018, 01:14 PM
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Probably only need about ten minutes....

Fast glue?
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Old 11-27-2018, 01:58 PM
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Probably only need about ten minutes....

Fast glue?


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Old 11-27-2018, 02:05 PM
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i dont think there is an appropriate adjective

for how beautiful that dash turned out.

so i will stick with beautiful.

( did i say you did not need just dashes ?)
that was an understatement

my mouth was wide open while looking at the last few photos

especially where you can see the face of the dash and all the detail.

DANG !!!

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Old 11-27-2018, 09:48 PM
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Thanks Dave. I am going to try and step it up a notch and finish the dash and tailgate soon. I have been doing some home remodeling and sizing up some work on our older boat. The inboard motor went bad and we want it for spring. There is just not enough time in the day.

I will take some pictures of the glass install Saturday. Can't wait....
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What're you using for the gasket?

Did you find a source for the trimless one? You haven't mentioned it so I assume not.
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Old 11-28-2018, 01:01 AM
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I have a gasket here that I think I purchased from TGW years ago. Honestly I am not sure where I got it. I would have to look and see if it is for the trim, which sadie does not have. I have several used gaskets.
The glass guy is also bringing a gasket. He knows I have one and I suggested he use which ever one he likes best. I will ask him about a trimless gasket.
In the 1990's all I could find was trimless. I never bought one, but did search.
Funny it switched and trim gaskets are all that is out there. My X model needs a trim gasket. I better get one...
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Old 11-28-2018, 06:40 AM
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Still looking for trim tag numbers for a D model with no frills. Anybody have one they can check?

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I can try to help but what do you mean exactly by "a D model with no frills" ?
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A bare bones out the door wagoneer. Rubber mat, bench seat, no exterior trim, no tilt column, nothing extra but the base vehicle. I wanted the numbers to stamp the trim tag on the firewall. Even something close would work.
I have the paint code.
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Another big milestone completed today. Dick from CE glass drove all the way up here and worked for about 4 hours wrestling in the glass. I am glad I did not even try. He had the right tools like the two mushroom grippers with a thumb vacuum pump on the end of the handle. Putting both of them on the glass enabled him to really push and pull on the glass. He used mineral spirits as a lube and sealed both sides of the gasket with urethane sealer.



Those little wings in the corner are for the trim. Now I see why people want the trimless gasket that is not available. Dick said when demand reduces on a product they tend to make only one version and since the trim gasket works for both applications, they eliminated the no trim gasket. At least I can put the trim back on my X model, (if) I ever get to it.



A small finger smear in front of the defroster duct hole. I will clean that off.
The inside view against the newly recovered dash pad. Not to bad...



Ready for wipers. I have extra ss trim. I may put it on. I am not sure yet. It would clean up the edges a bit. I am super happy with it. And Bill (owner) has already called to see what is up. I figured I had better post these pictures for him to look at tonight.



This is great.
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WOW, I'd almost be afraid to drive that work of art.
I have a pic request, while the seats are out, can we get a full pic of the dash, say, from the cargo area?
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WOW, I'd almost be afraid to drive that work of art.
I have a pic request, while the seats are out, can we get a full pic of the dash, say, from the cargo area?

I can do that Jeff. But I have a steering column issue and the glove box door and NOS clock is not in yet. If you can wait just a bit I will post one up soon.
Things are still moving along on Sadie, but I am juggling chainsaws with several other things I am trying to get ahead of. Of course everything needs work around here. I am in my element but time is sure not on my side...

Tomorrow I have an appointment with the folks that have been helping me make the clear shift indicators. Their machine has been destroying my material and producing garbage. So hopefully we will find out what is happening and I can come home with some more indicators to keep passing on to other jeepers that need one.

It is stuff like that that takes a whole day to accomplish. So hang tight and I will take a good photo soon.
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No rush, just wanted the thought out there before I forgot it. Thanks Al.
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