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Old 12-29-2003, 07:22 AM
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I am about ready to get a 4" lift for my '86GW.

I want to run 35" tall tires and plan to break out the sawsall to creat a little more clearance. For a while tho' I have 31" tires that work fine.

My Jeep is my daily driver, but I don't travel far to work, only about 5 miles each way. It will be used for trails to go camping, hunting, and general exploring. My Jeep is loaded pretty good with a large roof rack, full sized spare(as it should be), tools kids and such.

I have been lurking the forums for about a year now and still can't decide which lift to use. I was originally looking at BDS but then I stopped seeing so much about them. Then I started looking towards BJ's. The other manufacturers also don't look to bad. I just don't want to spend a small fortune on the lift (like Skyjacker).

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Old 12-29-2003, 07:43 AM
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i bought the skyjacker lift to begin with. it gave you new leaf packs up front with the drop pitman arm and blocks for the rear. whoopee! anyway, bjs gives you actual 4" springs in the rear which i think is cool. blocks just blow hardcore. anyway, my setup ran kinda stiff in my opinion but worked great. someone else will have to chime in for the actual performance of these (BJs) springs
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Old 12-29-2003, 08:01 AM
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I've got two rigs with rusty's front springs (old manufacturer?). They work fine ride rougher than stock. Flex is so-so. One's got an AAL and 2" block in the rear and the other has a shackle flip and block.

Rusty's has since changed spring manufacturers to a high quality place in Canada from what I hear.

BJ's are made by Rusty's old manufacturer from my understanding, and their customer service is great.

BDS has a great lifetime warranty. if it breaks they replace it no questions asked.

Rough country are supposed to be stiff

I would go with Rusty's or BJ's personally
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Old 12-29-2003, 09:02 AM
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I thinn bj's takes the cake on SJ lifts, heck dont they even have a 6 or 7" with springs?? It was cheap to, i made Ryan laugh when i talked to him onthe phone, I told him he cant sell lifts that good or i was going to have to buy one...definately bj's lifts
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Old 12-29-2003, 09:28 AM
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Just FYI, our BJ's 4" springs are now being manufactured by the same high quality place in Canada
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Old 12-29-2003, 10:03 AM
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BJs and rusty's both over a great product. I picked mine up from rusty's before BJs sold their own kits, and liked it fine. BJs seem to offer better service and less shipping problems though. Rusty can take his time getting parts but I haven't heard any complaints from BJs customers.

BTW - what gearing do you have? I'd hate to think you're going to have a daily driver with 35s and 2.73s.....
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Old 12-29-2003, 05:53 PM
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I have stock gears in it now but was planning on changing to something around 3.50 to 3.75 when I get the big tires. I am also going to put in some type of locking diff when I change the tires.

I checked prices on BJ's and BDS.

BJ's $585 Kit + $75 Pitman Arm $120 Shipping = $780

BDS $800 Kit + $0 shipping = $800

BDS includes Pitman Arm.

BDS has a local dealer. BJ's has much more than just lifts.

What to do? What to do?
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Old 12-29-2003, 06:44 PM
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Really!!! where in canada, and is there any chance of getting them shipped from canada to me here in alberta?
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Old 12-29-2003, 07:13 PM
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Ryphil, e-mail me at brent@bjsoffroad.com... we'll see if we can work something out to help sway your decision.

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Old 12-30-2003, 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by ryphil:
I have stock gears in it now but was planning on changing to something around 3.50 to 3.75 when I get the big tires. I am also going to put in some type of locking diff when I change the tires.

I checked prices on BJ's and BDS.

BJ's $585 Kit + $75 Pitman Arm $120 Shipping = $780

BDS $800 Kit + $0 shipping = $800

BDS includes Pitman Arm.

BDS has a local dealer. BJ's has much more than just lifts.

What to do? What to do?
i am the smae boat here.
BJ's $585 Kit + $75 Pitman Arm $130 Shipping = $790

BDS $779 Kit + $0 shipping = $779

BDS includes Pitman Arm.
what to do??????
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Old 12-30-2003, 02:12 AM
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i would eat the $11 for a fellow jeeper, heck they are probly better springs from BJ's
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Old 12-30-2003, 02:16 AM
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Brent,

I have already talked to you over the phone ( I bought a rear tailgate seal and swaybar bushings) and hearing how you dealt with me has a lot to do with why you are on my list. I really want to know how the 4 compare to each other and what benefits one may have over another.

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Old 12-30-2003, 02:49 AM
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Hey Ryan, is it true that BJ's offers a discount to IFSJA members ? That might help to sway a few opinions. I'll most likely order your 4" kit sometime in the spring, after all the snow has melted in the South Texas area !
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Old 12-30-2003, 03:12 AM
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We do offer a discount, but not on suspensions or sale items.
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Old 12-30-2003, 04:57 AM
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I bought the Rusty's lift through BJ's cause I wanted the Rusty's lift, but also wanted to support BJ's. I got the later Canadian made springs and I couldn't be happier with the ride and the flex. I went with the rear AAL and block cause my rear springs were in good shape and I don't mind a block 2" or less. Can't beat the price at $300 including shocks, but shipping from Rusty's wasn't cheap.
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Old 12-30-2003, 05:41 AM
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Anyone in Georgia or Washington have a BDS lift? We could test them side by side and give some results... this could be interesting...

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Old 12-30-2003, 06:15 AM
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I've had several brands of lifts on several Jeeps. I've had the BJ's Offroad 4" System on Bushwood for a few months now and love it. It just seems to have the perfect balance of flex and stiffness - yes springs can be too soft. On the road, the Jeep's comfortable and handles great. Off road, it twists as well as any Jeep I've had but doesn't bottom out on fast bumps/whoops. Again, it seems like a balanced system. Not just a set of springs that happen to fit the Jeep.

And the customer service from the BJ's guys, well, you've heard enough about that - they're amazing.

Good luck.
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Old 12-30-2003, 10:43 AM
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</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ryphil:
I have stock gears in it now but was planning on changing to something around 3.50 to 3.75 when I get the big tires. I am also going to put in some type of locking diff when I change the tires.

I checked prices on BJ's and BDS.

BJ's $585 Kit + $75 Pitman Arm $120 Shipping = $780

BDS $800 Kit + $0 shipping = $800

BDS includes Pitman Arm.

BDS has a local dealer. BJ's has much more than just lifts.

What to do? What to do?
i am the smae boat here.
BJ's $585 Kit + $75 Pitman Arm $130 Shipping = $790

BDS $779 Kit + $0 shipping = $779

BDS includes Pitman Arm.
what to do??????
</font>[/quote]i read this again and dont want to come off as being cheap. its just doing this on a budget means watching every penny. if i spent 11.00 extra for everything i buy it could add up to a lot very quick.
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Old 12-30-2003, 12:56 PM
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i just put on bjs 4" spring lift and for ease of installation it sure wasnt bad, only took my bout 10 hours total with a hi lift jack and jackstands and hand tools, bjs has great service, you cant just call em up like i did when i had a question during the install, i dont know how they ride yet as i am waiting for the drop pitman arm to arrive
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Old 12-30-2003, 02:09 PM
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my rustys kit is VERY bouncy, could just be the shocks tho...it flexes like id expect 6" springs to flex..crappy..this is all the flex i get if i was to drive up any more my back tire would lift up and id fall over lol
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