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Old 09-01-2009, 07:36 PM
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35 Spline Outer ?

I finally have my front D60.
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Gearing is a match, everything looks good, will probably need some parts, came from a Dually but I have SWR hubs (rebuild done) and everything going out. It's an '80+ front with the non-tapered inner shafts, good to go except for some steering things (might move the axle forward 1.5" so steering needs to wait a bit).

At this point I can upgrade to 35 spline outers.
I'm not a high HP rig (never will be probably), not real brave and or crazy .
Never broke anything on the D44 (just the hangers and springs) but I do tend to get impatient and bored at times.
I need to do axle joints anyway so...

Question is this:
Is it worth it?
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Old 09-01-2009, 07:53 PM
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What size tire you going to run and the type of wheeling? If your going to run 39 in plus I would say it is worth it anything under that I would run what ya have until you have an issue.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:14 PM
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If you are going to keep your current tires, just run the stock outers. I think you will be fine.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:29 PM
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if you are replacing the locking hubs than you should go ahead with the swap to 35...wouldnt want to buy em twice that is...otherwise like previously stated if you are running smaller than 38 id run em til you pop em
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:06 PM
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if you are replacing the locking hubs than you should go ahead with the swap to 35...wouldnt want to buy em twice that is...otherwise like previously stated if you are running smaller than 38 id run em til you pop em
Good advice! But then not everyone drives like you!

Go for it Tad...it's only money.
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:15 PM
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I would say might as well upgrade while its out and easy to do.

If you compare a 30 spline outer with a toyota outer they are almost the same size!

I broke an outer shaft with 36 inch swampers........ but i also had a 454.....

IMO save yourself the headache of a broken axle on a trail and the time to change it later by upgrading now.
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:39 PM
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x2 or 4 or whatever...

I'd upgrade. If you blow up a 30 spliner, chances are it will take out your spindle too. Make's your day loooong and your wallet unhappy. Haha.

I'm currently running Alloy 35 spline outers, stock joints and non-neck down inners. Pretty happy with the set up. I'll crack my t-case before that stuff lets go. Find a set for 2bills and call it good.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:50 AM
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Get the 35 spline outers and 35 spline drive flanges. Then you won't have to worry about getting out and locking and unlocking your hubs. Very nice upgrade.
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Old 09-02-2009, 05:18 AM
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Good thoughts, a few I didn't think of.

I'll need to run these 34's down before I can make a tire decision, too much $$ in them, probably won't run anything bigger than 37's, don't really want to cut the rear anymore.

I was thinking new locking hubs, the condition of these is used and unknown. I'll run welded in the front so drive slugs are probably out until I figure out the hydro assist box I got from Nick here, probably will need to unlock one until then. Was also looking at the outers I have last night (need to look again in better light) and the splines look less than pristine, might just be all crud on there.

I was thinking about running the CTM joints so I'll start looking at the prices for the outers and matching hubs.

Anyone have a favorite vendor or see any good deals recently?
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Old 09-02-2009, 06:05 AM
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Oh and congrats on the 60!

Can't really help you on the parts search for outers.

I've been using a local driveshaft shop for Spicer parts. Tom at Carolina Driveline has most of it in stock. I haven't looked for 35 spline junk, yet. I will be soon though. I'm swapping in SRW hubs and recentering my H1s now that my Chief is back on track.

I did find some good steering parts vendors...

I got my latest set of high steer arms from an ebay seller Virginia4x4. I bought them with a 3/4" hole drilled in them and reamed them myself. IIRC they were $150 for the pair. He sells them blank, reamed, whatever... Great seller and fair prices. I'll use V4x4 again.

The steering links I got from harshterrain @ ebay are made by his partner at Rocky Mountain Machine. First rate stuff and harshterrain is an excelent seller to deal with. IIRC it was $249 for TR/DL and the 4 one ton TREs.
Rocky Mountain Machine has been pimped here before and has top notch parts.
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Old 09-02-2009, 06:46 AM
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Anyone have a favorite vendor or see any good deals recently?

BJ's.....

Brent has always found me a great price on items that he does not have listed as normal sale items. Like my 4 Corbeau Baja SS seats....
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:30 AM
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with the way you drive and wheel, you wouldn't "need" to upgrade.....but, if you are building it so you don't have to worry about breaking, then it's definitely a good upgrade. 35 splines are usually only needed when rolling rockwells or when you plan on high hp and hard-core agressive wheeling. Personally, on a trail rig I'd do it so that if I needed to come down spinning I wouldn't have to worry as much.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:43 AM
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I have not broke an outer yet. Most of the time the u-joint goes then takes out the shafts. D60 joints are big, you will not be breaking those with 37s.

I vote new Spicer joints and get the hydro done.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:49 AM
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Thanks,
All good points, this axle will have to move to another rig at some point.
My wag has a limited life just based on the previous damage, the rust and a moderatly bent frame. I guess I need to enter that into the equation also.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:57 AM
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if that's the case, build the whee out of it If nothing else, if you end up selling it it'll move faster on the chopping block and bring more $$
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:01 AM
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with the way you drive and wheel, you wouldn't "need" to upgrade.....but, if you are building it so you don't have to worry about breaking, then it's definitely a good upgrade. 35 splines are usually only needed when rolling rockwells or when you plan on high hp and hard-core agressive wheeling. Personally, on a trail rig I'd do it so that if I needed to come down spinning I wouldn't have to worry as much.
You're right, Ryan.

We have a completely different sort of wheeling here in the east and with the needed wheel speed we're way more likely to have breakage. I can remember only a few times when I had the tires spinning while wheeling out west. I never broke anything out there. I tore up some sheet metal and laid my rig on it's side, but never broke a thing in the two years I hit trails out there.
Tellico was ( ) not so forgiving. Shoot, even URE can be hard on parts...
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Old 09-02-2009, 02:02 PM
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tad i am still running 30 spline outers.they have been in there from stock and havent given me any trouble yet!
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:56 PM
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tad i am still running 30 spline outers.they have been in there from stock and havent given me any trouble yet!
..that is good to know.
Seeing how I just learned today that I took a $3K per year pay cut.
I might have to deal with it that way.

Sam?
What axle joints are you running?
Stock, the newer Spicers with the smaller grease area, the CTM's (or similar solids)?
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:45 PM
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Seeing how I just learned today that I took a $3K per year pay cut

That sucks.....so far, i've been on a pay cut that is about 4-5x that since January. This economy blows.
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Old 09-03-2009, 03:34 AM
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not sure they have been in there for 5 yrs now i think they are stockers!
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