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Old 01-26-2010, 09:53 PM
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opinions on a welded/spooled rear dana 44

Just looking for anyone that has experiance with either of these. Its a daily driver and i am aware of chirping and tire wear issue. I daily drove a sammy that was welded in the rear and didn't have any issues but the jeep wieghs quite a bit more then the sammy did so thought i would get opinions from people.
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Old 01-26-2010, 10:07 PM
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I'd recommend any remote locker over a spool in a driver. OX or ARB, etc.

I like ratchets in drivers. But I'm not goin' whole hog anymore.

If you do go with a spool, I'd highly recommend aftermarket axles.

I would not recommend welding the spiders. I know, alot of folks get away with it all the time, but who knows what your welders concentrated heat has done to the strength of the diff... maybe nothing.

Just IMHO.
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Old 01-26-2010, 10:13 PM
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I'd recommend any remote locker over a spool in a driver. OX or ARB, etc.

I like ratchets in drivers. But I'm not goin' whole hog anymore.

If you do go with a spool, I'd highly recommend aftermarket axles.

I would not recommend welding the spiders. I know, alot of folks get away with it all the time, but who knows what your welders concentrated heat has done to the strength of the diff... maybe nothing.

Just IMHO.

Didn't think about that on welding the dana 44. I know what you mean though as i read abunch about it before i picked up the welded rear for my sammy i had. Didn't worry much about it then because of the stock sammy engine but i think its safe to say my jeep puts out a bit more ponies then the 1.3l 4 banger it had. I've been toying with the idea of a ratcheting locker not that i have a problem with the noise they cause just trying to stay within budget for everything i want to do to the jeep with my tax money
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Old 01-26-2010, 11:00 PM
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Demon, you could always try a mini spool. They are dirt cheap and would not have the tempering issues that welding would. Also, if you don't care for it , it is removable.
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Old 01-26-2010, 11:05 PM
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if you do weld, the best method that ive seen is not to weld the gears solid but to weld the teeth around them as to still give the rear end a small amount of play, this is typically easier on parts
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Old 01-27-2010, 05:52 AM
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I ran a full spool in 2 daily drivers I have recently had. Put 10K miles on each over 2-3 years of driving them.

The first was an XJ with waggy axles front/rear. (both were spooled) with an auto tranny. It was barely noticeable on the street unless I was trying to break the tires loose in a tight turn.

I liked it a lot due to its predictability. I have owned and driven rigs with auto lockers on the street and they aren't bad by any means but it's not always easy to tell what they plan to do. IE with a decent engine and some rain...it's very easy to have your rear try to pass your front. And while accelerating there are some quirks as well. Again...not horrible but moreso than with a spool. The spool is 'always on' and always does the same thing.

My other more recent rig was a TJ with a manual trans. Different ball game. Same on road manners as the XJ BUT very different in parking lots...liked to load up the rear suspension a lot more due to no TQ convertor to slip.

If you are on a budget (and I was both times) I say go for it. I agree with not welding unless it's a trail only rig...and even then remove the whole carrier/spider assembly to do it. I also think the heavier weight of the jeep vs the sammy will make it better. More weight to keep the suspension from loading too much in turns and even more predictability.
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:34 AM
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I DD a d44 mini spool on 35's/235-85-16's.

I should have just welded it. It would have gone faster and been less work than the mini spool.

I previously DD'd my welded 14 bolt on 40's. And before that my welded M23 on 35's/7.50-16's.

The plus side of fully locked for a DD (versus a ratchet) is that you know EXACTLY what the rear is going to do, every single time. Halfway around a slick curve, I do not have to wonder when the locker is going to kick.
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:20 PM
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I DD a d44 mini spool on 35's/235-85-16's.

I should have just welded it. It would have gone faster and been less work than the mini spool.

I previously DD'd my welded 14 bolt on 40's. And before that my welded M23 on 35's/7.50-16's.

The plus side of fully locked for a DD (versus a ratchet) is that you know EXACTLY what the rear is going to do, every single time. Halfway around a slick curve, I do not have to wonder when the locker is going to kick.
I can't speak for a 44 but have to agree.
I've been DD my welded 14-bolt gov-loc since '06.
In town, on the highway and on the trails.
I'd weld up another in a heartbeat.
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:35 PM
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Richmond mini spool is the way to go. I love mine, just make sure you put the right size roll pin in to hold the carrier pin in correctly....
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Old 01-27-2010, 03:14 PM
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Welded or spooled the factory 44 splines will start to twist over time. I ran a 44 spooled with 37's for two years. When I pulled the rear end and parted it out the Splines in the axle shaft were starting to show signs of twisting. I will say I loved the spool and I love it compared to the Detroit I now run in my 14 bolt. As others have said you know exactly what it is going to do every time.
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Old 01-27-2010, 05:29 PM
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I welded my 14 bolt in July and I knove it. Like everyone said its always on. the chirping isn'tthat bad except in parking lots. I learned to make wider turns when I can. And I was worried when the first snow came but honestly, its been great. Don't really slip unless I wanted it to. I haven't noticed any really accerlorated tire wear. more scuffing but thats it.

But it is a 14bolt. no idea how a 44 will do.
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Old 01-28-2010, 06:52 PM
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Welded or spooled the factory 44 splines will start to twist over time. I ran a 44 spooled with 37's for two years. When I pulled the rear end and parted it out the Splines in the axle shaft were starting to show signs of twisting. I will say I loved the spool and I love it compared to the Detroit I now run in my 14 bolt. As others have said you know exactly what it is going to do every time.

I'd wager with that though that it was somewhat due to the 37" tires. Dem's pretty big for a D-44 especially if it was a heavy rig.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:06 PM
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nod with smaller tires it should live just fine
like paul i cratored my carrier and gears after 3 yrs of abuse,and daily driving!
ok more abuse than daily driving.
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Jeez...How about doing it right and run a Detroit in it....I have D44's and dont know its locked unless I need it or forget it is there and get on it around a corner...

but this IMHO of course...
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Sorry "toorisky", but there are a million ways to build an FSJ and many would argue against a Detroit. What happens if your kids driving, forgets about the Detroit, and ges on it in a corner? I'd rather have a selectable locker of course, but a full time locker for me should be full time.
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I'll take tire wear over locker parts wear any day.
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Sorry "toorisky", but there are a million ways to build an FSJ and many would argue against a Detroit. What happens if your kids driving, forgets about the Detroit, and ges on it in a corner? I'd rather have a selectable locker of course, but a full time locker for me should be full time.

Well for me....NO one drives my Jeep except me...but you do have a point.
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I am not afraid to run a welded 44. I also have my eyes on some upgraded axle shafts. There is always a fuse somewhere.

I really like the Lockright I have in the rear 44 now. Only time it is inconvenient is in turns and curves on slippery roads. The locker snuck up on me and spun it off the road in a tight curve up in Mesa Verde a few years ago. Had to leave it stuck up to the door handle in snow over night. You get a feel for it though.

If I had the resources and my way, I would have a FSJ road warrior and a FSJ rock rig and just drive what fits. So far, Krista's road warrior has held up pretty good, the rock rig needs help. My rock rig holds up pretty good but the road warrior is parked for rust repairs. It is part of the sickness.
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Thanks for all the info i'm still toying with the idea of welding/spooling the rear. Will probably go with a spool though if i decide to do for the simple fact my welds stink...Big nasty booger welds. Or atleast they did the last time I welded which was 6yrs ago or so. I have seen on some carriers you have to actually pull them out to swap the spool in. Is this the case on the d44? I beleave my gear ration came out to 3.31 when i ran the numbers off the ring gear when i swapped the diff oil if that matters.
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you guys are evil now you got me really thinking about and i just found a brand new mini spool on ebay for 48 bucks as the buy it now price.
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