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Old 05-18-2013, 06:18 PM
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Bill's Daily Driver Build

This seems to have garnered a lot of attention on the other forum, so I thought I would post it here for any who may not belong to the other.

Welcome to my build! Well, welcome, at least, to the start of it.

I'll be starting with my 1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer. It currently has its stock 360 and 727 transmission, backed by the NP229 transfer case.

Exhibit A:



It's pretty much rust-free, with a few hail induced dings and a rather tweaked hood (it came open at some 35mph :shock: )

My plans (comments welcome!)

Drivetrain
-LY5 5.3 (from a 2008 Silverado)
-4L60E (2008 Silverado)
-NP229

Interior
-Thunderbird Turbo Coupe front seats
-Custom console
-Custom dash
-A/C from a 70's Chevy truck

Body
-Wide Trac flares
-Maroon paint
-Custom woodgrain
-Suburban 42 gallon tank
-Raised rear floor (2"-3") to accommodate tank.

Wheels/Tires/Suspension
-31" or 32" tires?
-15" wheels? 17"? 18"?
-Stock height? 2" lift?

So there you have it. Comments are welcome! Thoughts, problems I might have missed, and ideas are all welcome.
In the meantime, I'll post up parts, thoughts, and questions as I order and receive parts.
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Old 05-18-2013, 06:19 PM
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A question of size...

There seems to be a better selection of tire sizes available for 16" and 17" wheels as opposed to 15". I have found a 16" I like (example below) and ordered 4.

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Old 05-18-2013, 06:20 PM
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LY5/4L60E............................................. Ordered...........2008 Chevy Silverado
Modify Harness.......................................TBD. ...............Wayne Hartwig/Diff Wizard (suggestions?)
Engine Mounts.......................................Recei ved..........JeepinPete
Transmission Mounts...............................Received..... ......Ebay Vendor
Transmission Rebuild Kit..........................Received...........Tr anstech
Transmission/Transfer Case Adapter..........Received...........Novak/BJ's
Transfer Case Seal Kit.............................Received.......... Ebay Vendor
Radiator.......................................... ......Received..........Griffin '67-'69 Camaro LS Swap (Summit)
Radiator Fan..........................................Recei ved..........Lincoln Mark VIII (Ebay Vendor)
Radiator Hoses......................................TBD
Fuel Tank.............................................. Received..........'98 Chevy Suburban-42 Gallon (Ebay Vendor)
Fuel Pump/Sending Unit..........................Received..........'9 8 Chevy Suburban (Ebay Vendor)
Fuel Lines............................................. TBD.................PTFE Lined Braided Line
Fuel Filter/Regulator(?)...........................TBD
Shifter Linkage......................................Order ed............FSJ Turbo 400 (ScottsMojo)
A/C-Heat Unit........................................Receiv ed..........'70s Chevy Truck (Integrated Heat-A/C)
A/C Evaporator......................................Or dered............'79 Firebird
Heater Core..........................................Orde red............'70s Chevy Truck
A/C Condenser......................................Ord ered............Polar Bear Inc
Transmission Oil Cooler...........................TBD
Transmission Cooler Lines.......................TBD
Power Steering Lines/Adapters................TBD
Driveshafts....................................... ....TBD
Gauges............................................ ....Ordered............Speedhut
Transmission Rebuild Tools.....................Received............Ebay Vendor
Wheels............................................ ....Ordered.............Jeg's (Ultra Wheel Type 50/51)

If all goes well, I'll have the engine/transmission here on Monday or Tuesday. Then I can send out the harness/computer to be modified. I looked into ways to vent the fuel tank, and it looks like the best and cheapest way will be to pick up a purge canister from the salvage yard, and have the computer guy leave the purge function operable.
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Old 05-18-2013, 06:21 PM
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We have progress!!


The engine arrives!




Out with the old... (oh, it's for sale too!)




Air Conditioning mock up...




Behind the dash...




In with the new...




Clears the firewall nicely!




Notes: The JeepinPete mounts were PERFECT! I mounted the engine 1" forward of the original forward holes. By doing this, the transfer case is within an inch of its original mounting, and thus the linkage fits with no issues. Also, no driveshaft work is needed! The Turbo 499 shifter linkage was spot on.

Stay tuned!
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Old 05-18-2013, 06:21 PM
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More progress!

If you look carefully, you can see how I moved the engine forward by drilling new holes in the frame mounts.


And from the top...


Lot's of clearance underneath. The transfer case sits almost exactly where it did originally, though the rear crossmember is now in the rear mounting holes.


The evaporator case is built, a new evaporator has been installed, and it is all bolted on. It's a tight fit, but we have a good 3/4" clearance in the tightest places.




The defrost diaphragm didn't clear the engine inset, so...


I'll make a cover for it of course.

Clears the booster with no problems.


I love how much room is actually behind the dash! Lots of room for ducting, etc.




The heat outlet sits in the right spot too. (I think I need new carpet)


We have front sheet metal!




A friend I found on the garage door... she didn't survive the introduction.


Until next time...
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Old 05-18-2013, 06:22 PM
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Well, the weather has not cooperated. Still, I had to get something done...

First up, mirrors.

A bit of looking turned up a mirror head I liked, so I bought a couple off the dreaded Ebay. They are from a '91-'97 Toyota Previa.

At first, I had planned on making a spacer to adapt them. But after some thought and a bit of guessuring, I decided I could install the mirror head on the original base. Of course, if I was wrong, the attempt would lead to the destruction of both pieces, but when has anything like that stopped me?

The result.




I don't think they turned out too badly. The transition between the new and old is a little obvious, but I have an idea to fix that. Of course, I will also be painting the base to match the mirror head.




Since the humidity made even a small job like the conversion of one mirror a way to sweaty endeavor, I decided I should do something inside where it is air conditioned. So I will be sitting down shortly to design the new dash layout.

Here are the gauges I will be using.


They are made by Speehut. They have LED lighting, and are built to order (about a week). You can customize their look too! These have red pointers and white numbers during the day, and red pointers with red numbers at night. The speedometer and tachometer are CAN-BUS, and derive their information from the ECM. The quad gauge is not yet available in CAN-BUS, so it will require individual sending units.

The speedometer.


Tachometer.


Quad gauge with oil pressure, coolant temperature, system voltage, and fuel level. The fuel level gauge can be used with any sending unit that works in any range below 300 ohms. I had them preset mine to work with the Suburban sending unit. All the gauges feature an LED warning light that can be set to your specs.


A slow day, but at least I accomplished something!

'Till next time!
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that engine looks a bit shorter than the AMC. is that a BSA in the background?
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that engine looks a bit shorter than the AMC. is that a BSA in the background?

1969 Triumph Bonneville. I've owned it since I was 19 or so (rode it for years)... it's on the list after a few other projects get finished.
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even better. i sold my '77 Silver Jubilee Bonneville a few years back. still have the '72 BSA B50 in pieces.


how much shorter does that engine look over the amc?
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even better. i sold my '77 Silver Jubilee Bonneville a few years back. still have the '72 BSA B50 in pieces.


how much shorter does that engine look over the amc?

I should have written the measurements down... I still have the old engine, so when I get a chance I'll take the tape to it.

I'm not sure it's a lot shorter though. Even though I am only one inch forward, I cannot see fitting a clutch fan to it.
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Old 05-20-2013, 06:31 AM
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Nice! Digging this build.

Thanks! I love your avatar. My wife has a shirt with a similar cartoon on it. In her case, the person is just falling down on their own, no Jeep. She has Multiple Sclerosis, and wears the shirt on days when she is having the more trouble than usual walking.
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We have more progress!

Here is the radiator "module" all put together. I'm using a Lincoln Mark VIII two-speed fan (moves something like 4,500 cfm on high!), along with a triple-pass A/C condenser and a 30,000 gvw transmission cooler.



Here you can see the outer side. The transmission cooler has its own fan, and I will run the oil through a thermostat to ensure the oil reaches operating temperature quickly, even in cold weather.

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The radiator "module" has been bolted in place. The assembly sits a lot further forward than original!



As you can see, there is not a lot of clearance between the fan and the water pump! You can also see how much further forward it all sits.



I had to modify the hood release bar, raising it to clear the radiator. Here you can see I had to shorten the pull lever. I'll use a Lokar hood release lever to release the hood. It will give me more leverage than the original.



Driver's side latch. You can see how much I raised the cross bar.



Passenger's side.



Marked the front valance so I could cut it to clear the radiator assembly.



Once the valance was cut, it bolted on with no difficulty, as did the grill.



I bought an early style hood, but wanted to use my late style grill. As you know, the hood hits the grill at the corners of the "scoop" section. A little cutting and a little hammer and dolly work, and it fits pretty well. I also think the center section of the hood is more squared off than the early style, making the "scoop" section seem taller and more defined.



The straps in the picture above are to hold the shelter down in wind. My calls them "Jeep Bondage."

That's all for now. My FI harness, cruise control, and remote start module arrived today. Tomorrow I hope to get the front valance finished (trimming to fit around the new radiator/condenser/trans cooler), and maybe install the harness. Naturally, pics to follow.
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Worked on laying out the dash. The center stack will hold a Stereo/cd player with navigation, a scanner, the A/C controls, and a CB. I need to extend the wires between the chassis and the face of the CB, so I can remotely mount the chassis as it is too long to simply mount.



In front of the driver there will be three gauges, a speedometer and tachometer that will operate of the '08 ecm, and a quad gauge that will use sending units mounted on the engine. The dash pad and vertical sides of the center stack will be covered in black vinyl. The dash fascia will be covered in brushed aluminum.



This is where and how I will mount the airbox. I need an elbow to come out of the box and pull air from in front of the core support. Once I get everything mounted, I'll cover the hole in the inner fender with fiberglass.



I made a heat blanket to protect the bottom of the evaporator case from the heat off the exhaust manifold. The manifold already has a heat shield as well, so the evaporator case should stay reasonably cool.



Until next time!
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New lists!

Modify Harness: I went with a new harness from PSI ( http://www.PSIConversion.com ). It was around the same price as many charge to modify a harness and it gets you all new connectors. Also, the harness has a good 2' of length added to allow you to install the ECM and TCM inside the vehicle.

Cruise Control: Because I am running a Gen IV engine, the GM cruise control cannot be easily adapted (it's in the BCM, and not the ECM as with earlier LS series engines). I went with a system from Spanky's Rod Shop (http://www.spankysrodshop.net/ ) which interrupts the circuit between the gas pedal and ECM to implement its functions. Apparently it can be programmed to work with any cruise control buttons, so I had them program it to work with the factory Jeep/GM column switch.

Fan Controller: Painless #30141, F5 Single 70 Amp Fan PWM Controller. This will soft-start the fan and bring it to 50% power at whatever "on" temperature you set. As the vehicle's temperature rises, the unit increases fan speed. It also bypasses the temperature setting when you turn the A/C on, and allows a settable speed at which it no longer turns on the fan. I will use this feature to run the low speed on my Lincoln Mark VIII fan. The ECM will turn on the high speed feature of the fan if the engine gets to the higher temperature the ECM is set at. This gives me a redundant system to ensure the engine runs nice and cool.

Keyless Entry: I went with a system by AutoLoc ( http://www.autoloc.com ). I chose them because they have a flip-key style remote that works with their system. I'll be modifying a key and maybe the ignition cylinder to use this.

Remote Start: I know, such a sissy sort of thing, right? Well, my wife has MS, and heat, as she says, is the enemy. Being able to remotely start the vehicle and allow the interior to cool down will be great for her and a luxury for me. I went with an Omega/Excalibur unit.

Battery Isolator: I plan on running at least one deep cycle battery besides the normal "starting" battery. This is to go along with all the other "stuff" I have added, along with the inverter I plan on installing. I am using a "smart isolator" by Intellitec.

Battery Charger: I will be mounting a Battery Tender on board.

Stereo/Navigation: Kenwood DNX6140. A double DIN stereo/cd player with iPod control and Garmin GPS.

CB: Galaxy DX949 w/SSB. The unit is too deep to mount how I wanted, so I am extending the wires to the faceplate so I can remote mount the body and install the face in my dash.

Scanner: Uniden BCT15X TrunkTracker III... yeah, I don't know why, I just had to have one.


As for progress...

Over the weekend I tried out the simulated "brushed aluminum" vinyl I purchased. Great stuff! (3M DiNoc). I do need to use the adhesive promoter/primer 3M sells, and so have ordered that. I'll post pics of the finished dash insert once I get the primer and redo it.

I also began running the Engine Management harness. So far, I have only run into one difficulty, the cam sensor connector is different from my engine's. I'll contact PSI as soon as I have checked all the other connectors, but I imagine I will just need to swap out the connector.

Until next time!
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Well then! Started making the permanent dash inserts (the ones pictured before are templates). These were cut from 1/4" ABS plastic sheet, and covered with a titanium DiNoc vinyl applique.

Driver's side:



Speedhut gauges, Harley Davidson turn, high beam, and "pursuit" lights. The two "pursuit" lights are for the Check Engine light, and the Brake Warning Light.

Passenger's side:



The A/C outlets are Ford F150.

While digging out the Razor Grill I have for sale (spoken for), I found this little guy...



It's up the the buyer as to whether or not they want the critter.

More has been accomplished, but I don't yet have pictures. I started making the inserts for the center of the dash, but miss-measured and ruined the plastic sheet I had for them. A new piece is on its way.

And the cat sleeps...

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