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Old 02-23-2013, 09:16 AM
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2014 Grand Wagoneer

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Old 02-23-2013, 09:54 AM
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Nooooooo! Why does it have to be based on the Durango! The Durango traded its pants for a skirt on this last body style, with the independent rear suspension and whatnot.

I just read an article on the 2014 Cherokee (no Grand in that title) which replaces the Liberty. It didnt say what axles or suspension it had, tho
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:04 AM
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Nooooooo! Why does it have to be based on the Durango! The Durango traded its pants for a skirt on this last body style, with the independent rear suspension and whatnot.

I just read an article on the 2014 Cherokee (no Grand in that title) which replaces the Liberty. It didnt say what axles or suspension it had, tho
The durango shares its underpinnings with the Grand Cherokee and those do just fine off road for what they are. Our beloved FSJ's weren't considered off road machines when they came out either. Just think of the new G-wag as a high end durango to compete with the luxury brands. Just like it was back in the day.

As far as the cherokee, that will ride on a modified dart chassis.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:16 PM
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The new grand cherokees have gone through the rubicon. They had some dents and dings, but they did it. The platform is more than capable, possibly more capable than a stock waggy. Besides jtrucks are cooler everyone has a waggy.
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Old 02-23-2013, 04:31 PM
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Just so long as they don't take styling cues from the new "Cherokee"...
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:06 PM
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Just so long as they don't take styling cues from the new "Cherokee"...

Yeah. After seeing that, I don't have much hope for a new GW.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:38 PM
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I took a stock wagoneer through a local trail years ago. Pushing and rock stacking kept me from body damage but not from a crushed tail pipe.

I bet one of these new jeep Cherokee's could walk through it.
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Old 02-23-2013, 08:58 PM
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By the time you made it thru, it'd have to walk...ifs if not fully independent!
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:52 PM
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Okay here's goes.....

I never thought jeep has ever had an issue with power and capability, my opinion is that lately their issues are more related to class and sensibility. By that I mean, if you are going to build a vehicle that is capable off road as well as comfort on road, take your time and pay attention to the details. That is what brought success to the early wagoneers. Nobody says it has to resemble the old body style but the masses are begging for some Yank to knock Land Rover of it's pedestal. The new Laredo is nice but is BY far nowhere near a Range Rover HSE.

My uneducated run down of the mechanics. Please bare with me. The Hemi is a fabulous power plant and would be perfect for the new jeep. Jeep has always been wise in the ways of suspension, differentials and transfer cases. So if there is a way to finess the rage of the Hemi into a package that marries the savage of the Dana 44s and a beefyT-case but still is practical for my wife to drive GO FOR IT. Please! But for God's sakes have some class and refinement.

The details are things like wind shield wipers and door handles and gadgets. The Bose system was a nice touch but the plastic buttons married to a cheap dash board kills the interior. Why not make room for the 6'5 passenger in the back seat as well as his 3 large suit cases. My point is that if equal attention was give to the small things as they have the Dana 44s and Hemis we (the US) would have a few more Newer Jeeps with foreign plates. Say what you will but that matters.

My parting sentiment is that I would stack my 73 Waggy against any like vehicle of the same era and have no worries at all. I can't say that today if I had a luxury jeep and I want to!!

Oh one last thing... I wonder if the Gand Wagoneers we will start see in adds will be from the Wagon Master?
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Old 02-24-2013, 07:16 AM
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Looks pretty good in that photo.
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Old 02-24-2013, 07:20 AM
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Just so long as they don't take styling cues from the new "Cherokee"...

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Old 02-24-2013, 08:22 AM
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The details are things like wind shield wipers and door handles and gadgets. The Bose system was a nice touch but the plastic buttons married to a cheap dash board kills the interior. Why not make room for the 6'5 passenger in the back seat as well as his 3 large suit cases. My point is that if equal attention was give to the small things as they have the Dana 44s and Hemis we (the US) would have a few more Newer Jeeps with foreign plates. Say what you will but that matters.
I am absolutely obsessed with details and couldn't agree more. My bosses at work own various luxury cars, Lexus, Mercedes, and Jaguar. And honestly, the only one I would trade my wife's Hyundai for is the Jaguar. Dear god is that an amazing car. The others fail because of details. My wife's Hyundai has details that far exceed its meager price tag.

Jeep can easily build something to spank Land Rover. They definitely have the mechanicals for it. The SRT-8 proves that. Here's hoping they finally pay attention to what the "Top Gear" blokes have been saying about US cars for all these years.
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Old 02-24-2013, 08:28 AM
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Old 02-24-2013, 08:35 AM
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Yeah. After seeing that, I don't have much hope for a new GW.

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Old 02-24-2013, 08:39 AM
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Have any of you guys been in the 2013 grand cherokee? The details are there.... they've gone a long way to improve the interior. You still get a less amounts of soft touch materials for the lower trim models but that's to be expected on a vehicle that spans such a large spectrum. Chrysler has come a long way in the past 2-3 years.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:50 AM
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Agree with ElDiablo, the new Grand Cherokee, is very well made. At least whe knw that Chrysler is not a crayfish (meaning that walk backward)...
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:11 AM
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Agree with ElDiablo, the new Grand Cherokee, is very well made. At least whe knw that Chrysler is not a crayfish (meaning that walk backward)...
Yes, and so was the first Grand Cherokee in 1993. Remember what happened when they tarted those up with fake woodgrain and slapped the Grand Wagoneer name on the side?

Massive failure. The Grand Cherokee had replaced the Grand Wagoneer in the buyer's mind and the ZJ Grand Wagoneer didn't offer anything the top of the line Grand Cherokee didn't, only with ugly fake wood sides and a higher price tag.

What would the new Grand Wagoneer be? It would be a Grand Cherokee stretched a few inches and tarted up.

It worked for AMC in 1984 when the Cherokee and Wagoneer went to the XJ platform and moved the old SJ body upmarket with "Grand" slapped in front of the old Wagoneer name. The difference then was the XJ Wagoneer and the SJ Grand Wagoneer were now competing in seperate markets and not against each other. People who wanted compact luxury bought the XJ. People who wanted big old fashioned luxury bought the SJ. Simple as that.

What will they do now with the Grand Cherokee and Grand Wagoneer? The Grand Cherokee Overland is already as luxurious as a Mercedes or Cadillac, so what more can the Grand Wagoneer offer other than a third row of seats and gimmickery? Sounds like the failed jeep Commander: A tarted up Grand Cherokee.

If people want a 3 row SUV that is offroad capable, they should buy a Hummer, and we all know how that went.


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New waggy isn't likely any time soon.

"While most of the benchmarks promised in the original 2009 plan have been achieved on schedule, ongoing challenges have required enough reevaluation that Marchionne has decided a revision of what can be realistically expected is necessary. Most notable among possible corrections are products like the Jeep Grand Wagoneer and new, Fiat-based sub-compact B- and C-Series cars for Chrysler and Dodge. Though an extra-large Jeep might be appealing to some, the market for plus-sized American SUVs has declined considerably from its peak" source link

The new product map was released a week or so after that article was published, and did not include a likely candidate for the GW, from what I've read.
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(sigh) .. if people would search, there's about 4 threads on this already. lol

if you're interested, my Durango-based Photoshop is in my sig.

Also, here is the updated plan. The Wagoneer is still in the works.

http://www.allpar.com/corporate/chry.../2012-FGA.html Just a note on the image in the link; the years moved are "years moved from original plan".
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(sigh) .. if people would search, there's about 4 threads on this already. lol

if you're interested, my Durango-based Photoshop is in my sig.

Also, here is the updated plan. The Wagoneer is still in the works.

http://www.allpar.com/corporate/chry.../2012-FGA.html Just a note on the image in the link; the years moved are "years moved from original plan".

I like that chop in your signature, but I don't think it will be aerodynamic enough for the new truck cafe standards. With the US government so intent on telling us what we should be driving/eating/learning/etc, sooner or later, we'll all be driving the same car with different names on them.
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