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Old 07-18-2020, 04:42 PM
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Sticker shock!

I haven't bought an engine since my teenage years and I used to buy good used engines for around $250!


Guess those days are long gone. Looking at used engines on Craigslist made me wonder if they had gold piston's or something!


want to find a 360 for my Cherokee but seems I will never afford one.


Guess I will have to go through my 258 and change a few things out and hope for some kind of power increase.


4.0L head swap (If I can find one & afford it!)
New cam
Header
Small 4 bbl. carb. & intake.(hell, I would settle for a 2 bbl. intake & carb.)
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Old 07-18-2020, 06:47 PM
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Here is a fresh rebuilt one on fleabay seems reasonable to me

https://www.ebay.com/i/260778008778?...3069ce21ead670
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Old 07-18-2020, 07:28 PM
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Yeah

$1,675 maybe is fair but I am not that rich.


Like I said, decent used engines for $250 are history.


For $1200 I could buy a 401 block on Craigslist and rebuild it.


When your on disability paying bills & medications $900 a month don't go far, and surely not $1600 worth of far.


It will take me most of a year to just put a re-ring kit, new cam, header & intake for my 258.


Sure do miss the days of working & having a steady good income!
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Old 07-19-2020, 09:36 AM
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You’re singing my song there. I had all the parts, etc but I didn’t know I had heart problems (I was tired all the time) and made the mistake of getting someone I thought was a friend to help me. (I hear he’s in your area now scamming others)
I have several 4.0L HO motor cores kicking around. I even have a semi-complete front half of a Comanche that only had 80,000 miles on it. (How many were on the golf course in 4 lo is the question)
I won’t be driving stick anymore so I only have AW4 backed ones. I’m trying to get funding for opening a campground so I have an income as well as place to live but that’s fading daily.
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Old 07-19-2020, 10:00 AM
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$1,675 maybe is fair but I am not that rich.


Like I said, decent used engines for $250 are history.


For $1200 I could buy a 401 block on Craigslist and rebuild it.


When your on disability paying bills & medications $900 a month don't go far, and surely not $1600 worth of far.


It will take me most of a year to just put a re-ring kit, new cam, header & intake for my 258.


Sure do miss the days of working & having a steady good income!

A v8 swap will nickel & dime you to death. Rebuild of a 401 will cost thousands.
If $$ is an issue probably unrealistic to even consider it?
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Old 07-19-2020, 03:49 PM
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Old 07-19-2020, 03:51 PM
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Old 07-19-2020, 03:55 PM
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A v8 swap will nickel & dime you to death. Rebuild of a 401 will cost thousands.
If $$ is an issue probably unrealistic to even consider it?






I know.


At this point I probably would be better off to just sell the Cherokee.


I am seriously rolling the idea around, I can't afford to restore it right.


Either sell it or drive it till it falls apart then sell the parts.
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Old 07-20-2020, 08:30 AM
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I’m in the process of getting my HO 4.0L to fire up on LPG. The stolen intake is not fun.
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Ah memories, I remember 1984 too.


I remember going to the matinee on Saturday afternoon, getting a small popcorn and cherry slushy and having change left over from the nickle dad gave me.
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Old 07-20-2020, 11:23 PM
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Ah memories, I remember 1984 too.


I remember going to the matinee on Saturday afternoon, getting a small popcorn and cherry slushy and having change left over from the nickle dad gave me.






Right? lol. It has been awhile and for me back then I was a Chevy man or more like a Chevy boy. I used to pick up small block decent running engines for $250 - $300 all the time but those days are gone.


I just can't believe how high they have gotten. Of course it's harder to find a 70's - early 80's engine anyways. Now even the "old" engines are fuel injected and the real old ones are tbi.
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Old 07-20-2020, 11:27 PM
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Well, If I don't sell it I will have to SERIOUSLY pull back on my expectations of what I can do financially.


Doing a compression test in the morning and if it checks out good I probably will skip the tearing it down part and just do some other things which I can still drive it while doing most of them one at a time.


If I can swing it I would like to do the 4.0L head swap which doesn't sound to insanely expensive other than finding a head.


Then a 2 bbl intake & carb. off a later model 258


An HEI distributor.


Those upgrades I think I can afford and should help.
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Old 07-21-2020, 09:26 AM
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A leak down test is good diagnostic too.
That'll tell you how valves are sealing, and how much leakage is occurring past rings.
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Old 07-21-2020, 01:33 PM
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A leak down test is good diagnostic too.
That'll tell you how valves are sealing, and how much leakage is occurring past rings.


Diagnostic is the key to any problems... and sometimes we fall into seeing larger expenses than what the real solution is. Not too sure of your exact problems... or symptoms...


For an example: I started to have to add coolant every few months -with the lock down, I have not added gas in 7 months-

1) I may have a headgasket leak, not seeing a puddle under the vehicle... 2) finally did a pressure test of the coolant at 8 psi, no changes in 10min... so It must be the radiator cap... and for sure yesterday after a long drive, parked at the local store... and when I walked past the front I could see that drip under the engine bay... sure enough the radiator cap showed sign of leaky coolant smeared to nearby hoses (not a jeep), not a headgasket... pfffft....
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Old 07-21-2020, 10:39 PM
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Keep an eye on craigslist, things do come up. Back when my engine went bad I found a newer AMC 360 that ran good for only $200 that I could drop in my truck but my wife said
"ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! "
Just because it came attached to a transmission

and a transfer case

and a 1980 jeep Cherokee

with no axles
But deals like that do show up from time to time.
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Old 07-22-2020, 06:57 AM
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For $1200 I could buy a 401 block on Craigslist and rebuild it.

So, how much do you think it will cost to rebuild that $1,200.00 core?
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Old 08-03-2020, 07:23 PM
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For $1200 I could buy a 401 block on Craigslist and rebuild it.

So, how much do you think it will cost to rebuild that $1,200.00 core?

Just dropped $1500 on machinework for my 401 as all the bearings were shot and pistons were scuffing. Outside the original purchase I have more in machine work and trans/qtrac rebuild than I spent on the original truck but it will be a SOLID rig once done. A few performance mods turned into a frame off resto mod. I'll be a full 13K by the time I'm done. between scarcity of parts and pure cost of machinework it's bleeding me fast but I don't plan to sell it anytime soon so...
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Old 08-04-2020, 01:26 PM
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Yep, you made my point. $1,200.00 for a core plus $1,500.00 in machining and probably another $1,500.00 for parts. Welcome to 2020.
I am just thankful that we can still buy parts for a engine that hasn't been built in 41 years. In fact, I am very thankful that we can buy more parts for these engines now than we could 30 years ago.
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