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Old 08-10-2012, 04:24 PM
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GW noob, 1990 worth? and other ?s

This may get windy but bare with me please. My first vehicle was a 84 cj7, that I still own. Since then I have fell in love with all things jeep and have always wanted an FSJ. My wife and I were discussing another vehicle for here to drive on the ranch where we live and I mentioned a GW and she is all in. So the hunt started and I have found what may be our next ride.

Specs: 1990 GW, one owner, zero rust, 86,xxx miles, maroon color. The guy that owns it is a friend of mine's grand dad. They got it brand new in 1990 but it has sat in his barn for the last 2 years and prior to that didnt get driven much. We looked at it a couple days ago and all they did was put a battery in it and it fired up. I drove it a little but the valve stems were leaking so didnt go far. They have no sentimental attachment to it at all. And he left it up to me to come up with a "fair price". I really respect this guy and intend to do just that. The only reason they are getting rid of it is to free up space in his barn. I dont want to low ball him nor do I want to cut my own throat. The bad: the rear window does not work, there is a small rip in the rear seat, the headliner is gone, and the paint is not great but I am thinking it can be re cleared and be fine. Other than that it is in great shape cosmetically, maybe 8-9 out of 10 and like I said no rust. It is 100% bone stock, and never been altered or in a wreck.

Mechanically, it seems ok but it has sat so I imagine it will need AC work, new belts, hoses etc. So what is a fair price??

Secondly, though this is my first FSJ I am no stranger to turning wrenches and have some plans for what ever FSJ we get. My problem is: Is a jeep in this condition rare? I would hate to buy one of the few unmolested 90 GW's left (should that be the case) just to modifying and destroy the "collectors" value of it. I plan to either upgrade the motor's ignition and fuel deliver, or swap it out for a lsx, along with some other mods to make it more fun and fuel efficient. However if this is a once in a lifetime find, I can buy it, do what little needs done to restore it and sell it off to a person that would enjoy a stock jeep and not have committed some cardinal by destocking a perfectly good GW. Could this be the case or am in just in my own head too much?

Sorry for the long first post. While I have always had this disease for tinkering and all things jeep, I have suppressed for a while but now that my new bride is all in, I got nothing holding me back.
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Old 08-10-2012, 05:20 PM
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im a J10 owner so my opinion on a wag may be invalid. but i doubt there as a cult based around GW's in stock form. in my opinion buy it drive it break it up grade what broke! if it aint broke dont fix it and such. if you need more clrarance add lift, if you want to drop it to the ground dont buy a jeep. if it is an original mechanicly sound condition offer blue book value - what ever needs to fixed right away (eg. new tires)
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:07 PM
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im a J10 owner so my opinion on a wag may be invalid. but i doubt there as a cult based around GW's in stock form. in my opinion buy it drive it break it up grade what broke! if it aint broke dont fix it and such. if you need more clrarance add lift, if you want to drop it to the ground dont buy a jeep. if it is an original mechanicly sound condition offer blue book value - what ever needs to fixed right away (eg. new tires)

well there is a bit of a cult following for grand wags.that said if you by it do what you want to it.i would saty away from cutting it up myself but it is yours.
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:13 PM
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well there is a bit of a cult following for grand wags.that said if you by it do what you want to it.i would saty away from cutting it up myself but it is yours.

X2.....this place IS the cult!
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:12 PM
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1990 grand wags aren't as rare as 1991 models, but they can still fetch a good price. I paid about 8k for mine and it was pretty much near mint with 124k miles. But its a 91 and the rare green. Yours is low miles and owned by the original owners, so it was probably pretty well taken care of. Dont let the failed clear fool you, ALL the 87-91 models with clear coat do that. But thats not a cheap fix if you want it done right.

Blows my mind they have no sentimental value on a truck like that though! Post some pictures and I could tell you what I would offer. I hate seeing ANY wagoneer get cut up, since there are so many that are cut up by rust already. My next one may get a small lift and get taken on more trail rides, but there is no reason why a clean body should get bashed to nothing.
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:16 PM
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Without seeing pictures and since it hasn't rolled 100k yet, I'd say that 4 to 4.5 k would be a more than fair value.
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:21 PM
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Without seeing pictures and since it hasn't rolled 100k yet, I'd say that 4 to 4.5 k would be a more than fair value.
x2. 4k sounds like a fair price to me
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:23 PM
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1990 grand wags aren't as rare as 1991 models, but they can still fetch a good price. I paid about 8k for mine and it was pretty much near mint with 124k miles. But its a 91 and the rare green. Yours is low miles and owned by the original owners, so it was probably pretty well taken care of. Dont let the failed clear fool you, ALL the 87-91 models with clear coat do that. But thats not a cheap fix if you want it done right.

Blows my mind they have no sentimental value on a truck like that though! Post some pictures and I could tell you what I would offer. I hate seeing ANY wagoneer get cut up, since there are so many that are cut up by rust already. My next one may get a small lift and get taken on more trail rides, but there is no reason why a clean body should get bashed to nothing.

Well stated X2...
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:24 PM
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My wording must have come across wrong.

I dont want to cut the body.

I would like to however, update/upgrade the drivetrain to suite me. I have a LQ4 6.0 with 4l80e sitting here along with other various parts I have collected to use in other builds. I hate autos but my wife will drive this more then me so the 4l80 make sense. And would like to run 32-33" tires. I would like to keep the body and interior as stock and clean as possible. I would upgrade the axles too, probably just a locker and maybe change gears vs a full axle swap.

My main concern, other than what is it worth, is are "clean" waggys hard to come by? And should I just buy this, restore and sell vs "build".

I know in the end its my decision but if this was an all original GT50 in this condition I would know not too touch it, trouble is I dont yet know how to appreciate a stock GW.

Thanks for all the replies
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:26 PM
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Wow around here that would fetch 2500 to 3500. Yall may have rust free rigs out there but even our rust free ones are about the same price as all of em
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:31 PM
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If you have the means, repaint it and sell it. Does not sound like it needs to be totally torn down. Most people swap in modern drivetrains when the stock one is worn out. You could probably double your money on ebay with fresh paint and the interior fixed up.

Then go pick one up that does not run so good!
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:21 PM
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3K-4K sounds about right, If it were me I'd probably just leave it alone, drive it like it is and enjoy it, but its yours to do with as you see fit. After all, like you said, its not a GT500, or a '67 big block Vette, I don't think you'd be commiting any mortal sin by swapping in a different drivetrain.

I would however hold on to all the original equipment, that way any potential future owner will be able to restore it to original if they want.
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Old 08-11-2012, 12:16 AM
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3K-4K sounds about right, If it were me I'd probably just leave it alone, drive it like it is and enjoy it, but its yours to do with as you see fit. After all, like you said, its not a GT500, or a '67 big block Vette, I don't think you'd be commiting any mortal sin by swapping in a different drivetrain.

I would however hold on to all the original equipment, that way any potential future owner will be able to restore it to original if they want.

or a 65 big block vette


I guess your right, but dont bother saving the drivetrain, the chances of it being brought back to stock after the 6.0 swap are slim to none.
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Old 08-11-2012, 05:56 AM
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I know is largely opinion based but....

I havent decided exactly what my plans are for this GW. I will likely get but after that, time will tell. From a potential buyers stand point what would you guys (and gals) think if when it came time to rebuild the carb if guy installed EFI, and instead of a new rotor and coil switched to CDI or HEI ignition? Then down the road do a mild rebuild on the motor with a decent cam and what not?

I am trying to figure out, from a GW purist stand point, is it important to be 100% numbers matching OE original? Or is it more about having AMC power under the hood? I can say this, if it had the 401 under the hood and not the 360 I would no doubt be keeping it amc powered.

The way I see it I kind of have 3 options:
1. Get it, restore it, and learn to love a stock vehicle OR sell it to someone that may enjoy it more than me in that condition and start over with another.

2. Get get, restore it, and as things need to be replaced, upgrade as necessary/wanted like fuel delivery, ignition, maybe some discs in the rear, etc, and go ahead and throw a lift and some tires on it.

3. Get it, restore the interior/body, and as time and money allows do what most do with jeeps and modify everything on it but the body, update the motor, go with an OD trans, re gear, etc etc

Either way if we can agree on a price I will likely be getting it and be post up some pics when I do.

Thanks again for all the replies, looks like I am getting closer to a price for the fellow and closer to bringing home an FSJ.
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:36 AM
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Im thinking that with the clear coat shot and no headliner the price should be closer to 3K. As for Upgrades Im in the it's your jeep, do what you want with it group. I personally don't see a problem with upgrading to a modern drive train or EFI, especially if it's for the wife to drive around. Sounds like you found a keeper. A bit of warning though, your full size jeep will get lonely and need other full size jeeps around.
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:50 AM
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Welcome to the land of empty pockets and unfinished projects...

My opinion would be a combo of #2 & 3. My wife DD's an 88 GW, 3" lift on 31s, 360 bored .030 over, RV cam and TBI and it runs great. VERY reliable. The only thing it seems to be lacking is an OD and I'm gathering parts for that. As things wear out, I upgrade.

There are a few "purists" out there, but I would not worry about them. I dont see you getting out of it the time and energy that you would put into it. build it and drive it, thats my vote.

You mentioned upgrading the ign, its cheaper to do the "TFI" upgrade, taking the adp, cap, rotor, and coil from a late 80s Ford 460 and everything clips on and boosts the spark.

And get LOTS of pics, because...

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Old 08-11-2012, 08:29 AM
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Old 08-11-2012, 09:27 AM
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81 cherokee, its funny you mention that about it needing company as there is a 79 I will probably pic up for next to nothing just down the road, for a non resto rig. It needs a trans and tail gate and is pretty rough but I want it more for a beater, and it only has 90k on the ticker. Guy pretty much told me I could have it but I will give him something for it.

Jaber, thanks for the input, do you know what kind of milage your 88 gets?

I am going to go talk with the fella next week when I get a chance and will get pics when I do. Seems like 3-4k is a good price for both of us. I will tell him that and see if he is happy with 3k or if he is lookin for something more like 4k. I dont mind paying a little more if need be just because I know they guy and the history of the jeep.
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Old 08-11-2012, 09:33 AM
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As far as I know there is no such thing as numbers matching on these things, I mean literally, as in they didn't put the serial number on anything but the body and frame. A lot of people around here have done junkyard TBI swaps, theres a how-to article around here somewhere, and Howell makes a TBI kit for AMCs. Not sure if I've ever seen anyone do an EFI swap, although I don't see why you couldn't.
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As far as I know there is no such thing as numbers matching on these things, I mean literally, as in they didn't put the serial number on anything but the body and frame. A lot of people around here have done junkyard TBI swaps, theres a how-to article around here somewhere, and Howell makes a TBI kit for AMCs. Not sure if I've ever seen anyone do an EFI swap, although I don't see why you couldn't.


Like you said, I am sure you could but I mistakenly put EFI, instead of TBI. I tend to call anything thats not a carb, efi. Just poor use of words, or I guess acronyms on my part.
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