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View Poll Results: what lift combo should i run?
2" springs, SOA, 2" BL (10") and run 38's. go big or go home. 60 32.43%
2" springs, SOA, no BL (8") and run 36's. drop the motor/trans and give the HD44 a chance to live. 30 16.22%
stock springs, SOA, 2" BL (8") and run 36's. stock springs are soft, but i probably won't roll it. 39 21.08%
stock springs, SOA no BL (6") and run 35's. keep it low so i don't get nose bleeds. 39 21.08%
4" springs SUA, 2" BL (6") and run 35's. i'm kidding. don't vote for this. 17 9.19%
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:29 AM
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10" lift? now with poll!

ok, so i still haven't decided. i'm now thinking about just keeping the body lift as it shouldn't raise my COG that much higher like more suspension lift would. bigger tires are always better, right?

so vote....

**edit: for those that don't remember (or didn't see my previous thread), i had to install a 2" body lift for the SM465. dropping the crossmember to clear no body lift would take some work. running gear is 350/465/205 with HD44/D60.

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Old 09-25-2007, 11:35 AM
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Don't see a poll. Bigger tires are better... large body lifts are not better.
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:41 AM
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Don't see a poll. Bigger tires are better... large body lifts are not better.
try again, its up now. for some reason the thread starts before you can add a poll.

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Old 09-25-2007, 12:07 PM
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i voted for #2, i'm not a big fan of body lifts. sldo i think that that HD44 should be able to handle 38s if you upgrade the shafts to something a little stronger.
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Heh kinda funny this is exactly the swap i was planning on doing eventually. Good Luck!
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i voted for #2, i'm not a big fan of body lifts. sldo i think that that HD44 should be able to handle 38s if you upgrade the shafts to something a little stronger.

Not for long.. Not the way I drive at least..

If 44's carry their own against 38"s on a heavy rig like these, why does everyone swap to 1 tons?


I voted for the third, just because I know you dont want to do all the mods required to lower the entire drivetrain. Plus it moves it out from the protection of the frame rails.

Otherwise, I think the second option is the way to go.. Of course, you are going to have more expensive driveline mods for that one. I broke my front shaft twice without the extra 2"s of springs lift. When I welded the perches on the axels you bought, I rotated the pinion up 1.5 degrees.. So that MIGHT help..

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what gears do you have in the hd44. i would base my decision if i had to put lower gears in the hd44 i'd just find a front d60 that was soa and bolt it in. 38s would be the limit on stock a hd44. personally i'd go soa and run 36s.
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what gears do you have in the hd44. i would base my decision if i had to put lower gears in the hd44 i'd just find a front d60 that was soa and bolt it in. 38s would be the limit on stock a hd44. personally i'd go soa and run 36s.
they are 3.73s. i'm not too worried about the gears with the 6.55:1 first gear.

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I wouldn't go bigger than 36's on a front D44, and I think 10" is too much to run 36's.
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As long as you body is not rust in the mount areas...a 2 inch body lift does make wrenching on stuff under the truck easier.... something to consider.... but as far as clearing tires....thats what a sawzall is for...
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As long as you body is not rust in the mount areas...a 2 inch body lift does make wrenching on stuff under the truck easier.... something to consider.... but as far as clearing tires....thats what a sawzall is for...
my rig is 100% rust free!

and i won't cut the flares...

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they are 3.73s. i'm not too worried about the gears with the 6.55:1 first gear.

Al

The 3.54's that came factory worked well with my 6.32 first and 35"s..

I bet the 3.73's will be a real good ratio for you if you plan to drive long distances to the trails.. Othwise, I would be looking for gears (that was my plan)...
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The 3.54's that came factory worked well with my 6.32 first and 35"s..

I bet the 3.73's will be a real good ratio for you if you plan to drive long distances to the trails.. Othwise, I would be looking for gears (that was my plan)...
my thougts exactly. if i were to be picky i'd like 4.10s, but these are close enough.

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no body lifts there worthless
i have 4'' bjs i like it just right
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no body lifts there worthless
don't mean to sound harsh, but did you even read why i installed a body lift? i wouldn't go as far to say they are worthless. just not my first choice, and i'd never go over 2".

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don't mean to sound harsh, but did you even read why i installed a body lift? i wouldn't go as far to say they are worthless. just not my first choice, and i'd never go over 2".

Al

how high does the SM465 sit into the body? with the 2" body lift does the tranny come close to the body? i forgot that you had that tranny.
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how high does the SM465 sit into the body? with the 2" body lift does the tranny come close to the body? i forgot that you had that tranny.
it was hitting the body on the left side of the trans tunnel with out the BL, and real close on the passanger side. any movement would have hit the other side also. bama burden hasn't had any clearance issues with his but he also has a later rig and i have heard the trans tunnel changed shape when they went to the 727 trans.

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well i want to change my vote then to #1. only way around that problem would be to cut and raise the hump. easier said than done though.
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no body lifts there worthless
i have 4'' bjs i like it just right
You really need to work with us here when you make that sort of statement.
Give us some sort of qualifier such as:
"No, I do not like body lifts, I think they are worthless because they are..."
Something like "I had one and it broke", "my friends jeep tipped over because of one", "one fell out of the sky and hit me on the head", something in that range of technical advise.

It's really cool you like your 4" lift, I ran one for years, but that's not Al's question and you are really not helping him make a decision.

Body lifts have inherent positives and negatives.
+ = more space undeneath for transmissions, exhaust...etc.
- = a bit higher center of gravity (it's not like you moved the entire vehicle weight up) and longer bolts that will need to take more stress.

Let's stick to Al's question and answer accordingly.
I think that's why he asked it.
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well i want to change my vote then to #1. only way around that problem would be to cut and raise the hump. easier said than done though.
actually i will drop the crossmember to lower it.

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