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Old 02-26-2020, 06:11 PM
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Rebuilding Door Hardware, window, seals, etc.

I'm probably going to do my best of a "rebuild your door guts" walkthrough, including seals/weatherstripping etc. However, I'm trying to find references on here...

Diverter bar instructions, I can't seem to find a part reference for the rivets that offer the best fit.

I've read that the Haynes manual gives the best TSM walkthrough for window channels/etc.

Does anyone have references before I go in blind and spend four folds the amount of time required?

Anyone have any pointers or recommendations?
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Old 02-26-2020, 09:00 PM
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If you start on page 48 of my build thread, that is about where I start on my doors. Also Kaiserjeeps build thread has a ton of info and is where I got most of my info to do my build. good luck.
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Old 02-27-2020, 08:36 AM
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What he said! I could not have done my doors without kaiserjeeps Sadie thread or full size jeepers building a driver thread. There are also directions on bjs website for the parts you are ordering. Check the page for each part you buy and you should find some good stuff.

Some things I recommend you cover that may not be on your scope
Door hinge rebuild
Door lock/handle gasket replacement
Sound deadened
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Old 02-27-2020, 09:44 AM
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I second what Rang said!

Looking forward to this, are you planning on doing the trim un-install and install?
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Old 02-27-2020, 06:48 PM
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I was going to do a sound deadening spray, but I'm worried most about rust with these things. What I'm going to do is scrub the heck out of the insides with a coarse thread steal wool then coat eastwoods premium rust encapsulator.

Considered sound deadening, but there's already a factory spray over the panel if I'm not mistaken and I've read nothing but horror stories about sound deadening material in areas like this prone to rust.

Also, going to use green frame paint from eastwood for internal hardware too.

After it all cures for a few days I'm going to spray the insides with Fluid Film.

I just don't think that sound deadening spray and all that would work well. *Opinion

Still can't find a direct link to the rivet type and size.

Ideas?
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Old 02-27-2020, 08:31 PM
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Here is the tool I bought from Aircraft Spruce.
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Old 02-27-2020, 08:32 PM
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rivet pn.
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Old 02-27-2020, 08:33 PM
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Company they came from.
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Old 02-27-2020, 08:36 PM
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You can also take a regular pop rivet apart and use it to rebuild the vent windows. Just buy a short rivet and it should work.
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Old 02-27-2020, 11:01 PM
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Full size jeeper found better rivets than I used in my build. I had to turn down those tiny little rivet heads one at a time because I was sure they would drag on the glass. The ones he found were plug and play. So you might get some good info from both our threads, but use the part number he posted above and not mine

I used eastwoods internal frame paint inside every door, Q panel seam, and tailgate. The green stuff so it looks like the internals of an airframe.
I thought about fluid film and use it everywhere (snow blower, desert topping etc) but I used a 3M product because 3M products are really good. It was called cavity wax and is loaded with corrosion inhibitors and creeping agents like fluid film. I think either product is a great choice. Looking at fluid films web page and the navy testing, you can tell FF is no slouch. I have a lot of faith in 3M so I went with that. I did notice that cavity wax is way more sticky than fluid film and that gave me the impression it offered more lifespan and build up.

Somewhere in this site is a paint test I did where I painted several different paints on 2 mild steel strips. I drilled a raw unpainted hole in each paint field. Covered one strip with fluid film and tie wired both strips under my wifes subaru for some serious road salt testing. Our hiway to get home is a test bed for nasty new experimental de-icers. There are cars and trucks here that rust holes are measured in feet and not inches. No kidding. The fluid film piece did stave off corrosion but did not stop it. Internal frame paint is on there too. I'd go get a link, but I am so stinking tired and need to get up at zero dark thirty to drive 8 hours one way for a T-18 and buick 350 bellhousing.
I know, I'm sick and need help. There is no hope. My support group is right here.

Post your build work. We are all jeep junkies....
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The timing on this post is perfect - I just bought two nice door shells to fix what some lady backed in to... Some great advice I hadn't thought of as I start rebuilding my doors. Where do I find the build threads that are mentioned here? I thought there would be a link in the signature but I'm not seeing anything.
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Old 03-03-2020, 11:49 AM
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The timing on this post is perfect - I just bought two nice door shells to fix what some lady backed in to... Some great advice I hadn't thought of as I start rebuilding my doors. Where do I find the build threads that are mentioned here? I thought there would be a link in the signature but I'm not seeing anything.

I don't even know how to do multiple quotes in one reply. I have wondered that since the internet was invented. So my thread was "Another 70 wagoneer build" and is found in the build threads. I pay money every month to keep the pictures alive, hence my look at my build thread flag waving right now.
Your in a good place for FSJ work. Ask and you will get help. There are some very creative guys here. Funny too.

I will try to insert my build thread link in my signature.
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Old 03-05-2020, 03:57 PM
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This project has been going by as discovery mode. I'm going to do a write up on the other door since this one is more about figuring out how the whole thing works.

I tried getting the rivets online, but then realized that TeamGrandWagoneer has a full kit for less than $60, which includes the punches, drill bits, all hardware, etc.

There might be a little delay since there's a small patch of cancer on the other door panel and I don't want to coat the inside with encasulator without getting that cancer cut out and repaired.

Here's where I am as of today.





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Old 03-06-2020, 03:57 PM
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Keep us posted on the work. Im trying to find latch return springs or replacement mechanisms for my doors.
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Old 03-15-2020, 05:50 PM
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I tried getting the rivets online, but then realized that TeamGrandWagoneer has a full kit for less than $60, which includes the punches, drill bits, all hardware, etc.

I looked and can't find the kit you posted about. Different site perhaps?

Since my door-top woodgrain was cracked and faded, and the door panel rails were dented and surface rusted, I drilled out my rivets to remove everything to prep and paint the rails the new tan color I'm using.

I just ordered the new door-top woodgrain set from TGW but don't know which rivets or gun to use when it comes time to put the rails back on.

I have never used a rivet gun or rivets so a quick and dirty link to whatever gun and rivets will work would be appreciated.
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MAN O MAN
IS THAT A SWEET CHEROKEE !!!

and the inside of that door looks great too, like new.

must be a really solid Cherokee.

and the best color combo ever !

we want to see the entire rig !

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I agree! Lets see some more pictures. I really like that colour.
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Old 03-23-2020, 09:23 AM
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I really like that colour.
I believe it is called Firecracker Red.
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