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Old 12-26-2019, 01:49 PM
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There is absolutely nothing

Like the sound of a 900 dollar John Deere turbo hitting the floor after falling off the solvent tank lid. I miss my wagoneer. I am going to go sit in the corner now. X100
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Old 12-26-2019, 03:39 PM
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OOOOOoohhhh NNNooooooo!!!!
I thought I was the only one that made moves like that.
Is it damaged? COmpletely destroyed or just needing some repairs?!
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Old 12-26-2019, 08:33 PM
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Please tell us it isn't hurt. It only broke the concrete.
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Old 12-26-2019, 10:26 PM
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Working on the 450c Kaiser? Hope it was not a fatal blow.

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Old 12-26-2019, 11:24 PM
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Naw Fleetfox, I wish it were a kaiser. It's yellow and more expensive than fixing a boat. In the case of a John Deere you have to move the decimal TWO places to the right to buy something for it. I have to replace the turbo. I can see one vane that looks slightly bent. And spinning at (manual says) 200,000 RPM I can't take a chance. I bought this old 1975 450C turbocharged dozer five years ago to deal with snow here.
It had a blown head gasket that I did not catch when I bought it. The owner knew and did not say anything. I found his notes in a maintenance book on it. What an outstanding individual!
I pulled the head and fixed everything. It blew again in 20 minutes. It sat in the corner for 4.5 years till right after I finished Sadie. I pulled the head again and saw a liner tilted in the block. I pulled the 4219 diesel engine out and took it completely apart to check the block. We stopped counting cracks at 5 on just the deck alone. I now have a big yellow greasy anchor.....
So the machinist shows me a 4239 block sitting there. Cast twice as thick as the 4219 block. Same 300 series engine so just about everything is the same. Cam, head, crank,etc. Only the liners, pistons, and rods were bigger being 20 more cubic inches. So I find a brand new NOS block in Ohio that was only 125 bucks more than a greasy used block down in Spokane at the used greasy yellow engine block store. No brainer there. I have the new engine just about done on a stand here. I was cleaning up the exhaust stuff and painting it with (my favorite) Cerakote glacier black when I bombed the turbo off the solvent tank lid. I wish I could describe the sound of it hitting the floor. UGh... So I would be totally crazy to put this turbo on a very expensive new engine. If it let go I might very well send metal chunks into the motor. The NEW motor. I'd just stay in the corner if that happened.

My goal is to finally fix this thing, use it next summer for the property clearing going after that park like setting...and sell it for more than I paid for it. It should not be difficult with all the new parts and the demand for these things here. Lots of logging going on. I know long story but have any of you guys ever known me to be brief?
I figured you all could understand the self induced misery of wasting nearly a grand just like that. Like fresh motors that flatten camshafts and stuff that fails beyond our worst hopes. Everything is fixable. But that one was pretty avoidable. Liz my wife gave me that look when I told her. That's just not cool, ya know? I do indeed miss my wagoneer. It won't be long now.
Oh yea, Happy New Year!!
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Old 12-27-2019, 05:13 AM
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Maybe you could send it to a turbo specialty shop and see if they can fix it? Someone like these guys?
https://www.timsturbos.com/
https://www.theboostlab.com/turbocharger-rebuilding/
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Old 12-27-2019, 07:29 AM
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Man, that really sucks!
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Old 12-27-2019, 12:23 PM
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Yes it does guys... Every time I look at it I see something that needs repairs or replacement. Like hoses with damaged sheathing, a broken front idler...
I told Liz this thing is dangerous to own. It could hurt us financially. It already has to be honest. We had a budget for it. Had is the key word there. And Rang, I am getting a new unit with help from the guy that runs the JD crawlers forum. He is an old tractor buff and repairs heavy equipment for a living. A new unit is about the same as a reman unit. I can't find a reman. Of course I am doing a build thread. I sure have issues leaving stuff alone. I did try to find the turbine shaft and turbines. NLA.... My turbo was a JD reman and was fine till I taught it how to bungee jump. I hope to be done with all this yellow stuff soon.
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Old 12-27-2019, 01:11 PM
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...Of course I am doing a build thread. ...
OOOH YEAAAHHH!!! Link please!
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Old 12-27-2019, 10:42 PM
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Ha,ha... You got it Rang. My username over there is oldmetalmender. I am kind of stalled out waiting for more parts. But it will resume very shortly. Yesterday and today I ungreased and painted more parts. I am detailing the motor waaaaaaay more than I should be. It's an old dozer, not a way cool FSJ. It's a bunch of cool very knowledgeable guys there. Not much humor to be found, but if you have a crawler issue, it's the place to be. As soon as photobucket decides to work again, I'll be posting pretty yellow stuff.

http://www.jdcrawlers.com/messageboa...hp?f=8&t=12962

EDIT: I was able to post pictures this morning. In case you are bored...
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83 CJ-7 excellent shape FOR SALE
And soon... Another M715! echo... echo...

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Old 12-29-2019, 10:02 PM
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Lavoy is good people. He was great with a 2010 we had. Our 79 450c has a good amount of blowby and the turbo is rusted out on the exhaust side. We only use it occasionally so it's not on the priority list. I hear what you're saying though, when you want it or need it, i can get expensive in a hurry. Good luck, keep us posted. It looks too nice already to put in the dirt.

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Old 12-30-2019, 02:12 PM
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Yes Lavoy is a great guy. I have had several phone conversations with him. He takes time to talk when I know he is busy.

So I have a crumby situation. All replacement turbos are apparently made in China. Even Garrett now. John Deere bought a&I in 2010 but those products have a bad reputation. I wish like heck I had not dropped my turbo. I just can't risk the new motor. Dang me.
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Old 12-30-2019, 10:37 PM
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Salvage? Try All States Ag Parts?? There are couple of guys in new england that have small salvage yards that cater to to 350,450 crowd.

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Lavoy is locating one for me. It is an import but he says his shop he uses says they are not having issues with them. So I looked for a reman and not much is out there anymore. A remanufactured turbo would most likely have chinese bushings and seals, but the rest of it should be USA made. I could not find one.
I sent Lavoy my injection pump for a rebuild also. The same shop has a test bench and can actually run it and tune it. Should be plug and play.
I am going to look up those salvage yards you mention though.

This crawler is as bad as Sadie was. Every time I degrease or look at something, it needs replacing. I am now making a complete new wire harness for it. The front hydraulic pump splines were so worn, like a knife edge and ready to strip out. Then I found bad hoses with rub marks down to the braiding. Two broken gauge cases, a mouse nest behind the instruments where mouse pee rotted the switches and start button case's to the point of crumbling, etc. Not to mention the wiring it ate for lunch. I'll fix it... It's what I do. Of course everything is getting stripped and painted. I hope to be done in about a month..... or 6.
I am just dying to get going on MY wagoneer.
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We bought our 450c loader with no hydraulics at all. The same shaft was stripped out. I replaced the shaft with an item from Grainger after Deere asked a kings ransom for what was a basic item. I did replace the crankshaft coupler at the same time with the oem part which was only slightly cheaper. And like you, did most of the hoses while i was in there. Feel your pain Al, but when it's done, these small machines punch way out of their weight class. Move a mountain, even if it's a teaspoon at a time.

Here is my machine. It's not pretty, but it is solid:

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Old 01-10-2020, 11:25 PM
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Holy smokes! A 4 in 1 drott bucket AND a backhoe That's a machine there. How cool to have both. Does the hoe have a drum swing frame or is it an open cast one? You can do a lot of different things with that machine. Great picture. And very interesting on Grainger having the part. It is very important to shop around. JD is more than proud of their parts and often they are the exact same.

Mine is a 1975 6405 6 way blade with ROPS.



I am putting a LOT of unintended work into it. Today was the start of a new wiring harness with tinned marine wire. I am waiting on that injection pump to button up the new 4239 motor.
Here is the new block with a kit in it. 8 gears on the front of that motor and yours too. All timed together.



And the parts waiting for install.



Just about the last of it all here.



This is the only time ever that it will be this clean.
Thanks for posting fleetfox! That is a handy looking machine.
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Ha,ha... You got it Rang. My username over there is oldmetalmender.
http://www.jdcrawlers.com/messageboa...hp?f=8&t=12962

EDIT: I was able to post pictures this morning. In case you are bored...
I am really enjoying following this along! I never thought an old tractor would be so fun to see "restored". Now I kind of want one...
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The best advice I could ever give is don't do it. Unless you had property that needed a lot of work, and paying someone to perform the work for a break even costs of purchasing one, run like hel*.
We have been saving for 5 years for what I predicted.... A replacement engine.
I have blown that budget so far away it is unnerving. I keep finding stuff that is to messed up to leave alone. Like this... Splines wiped down to a knife edge and probably a weeks worth of work from failure. One of the mounting bolts was stripped and it was always moving. Replacement splined shaft 120 bucks and not to be found anywhere. NLA. 950 bucks for my only option, a new pump.



Another example. My shift knobs are all worn and sun bleached. John Deere wants 78 dollars each for them. Holy moly they are a plastic phenolic round ball with no metal insert even. I found perfect replacements on McMaster Carr for 3.72 each. Stuff like that is a nice find, but some things can't be substituted. I absolutely love fixing things up. I am enjoying the repair work on this crawler. But I simply don't earn enough money to support this machine to keep it in the reliable condition I prefer. Soooo, realizing I really don't need it after some property clearing this summer, and finding it leaves a huge mess moving snow, I am going to sell it later. I am pretty sure of that. I get by fine with my plow truck, snow blower, and an old backhoe I paid a very low price for. Keep watching for the final product. I should get my injection pump and the turbo that started this thread in a couple days. I can button it up and turn the key. But unless you need a tool like this one, don't bother. I have mixed feelings every time I wrench on it.
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The best advice I could ever give is don't do it. Unless you had property that needed a lot of work, and paying someone to perform the work for a break even costs of purchasing one, run like hel*.








yup. had a TO35 fergusen. used it quite a bit but dont miss it. now i have a case sr200 skid loader. much more useful.
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Your tach looks AMAZING!!! I love the little crankcase emblem at the bottom! So cool!
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