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63J200atLSU 02-26-2016 06:26 PM

1963 J-200 SLOOOOOW Build
 
So.
Posted an ad in CL in December looking for an old truck that someone wanted gone, got a call from a guy down the road asking if I was interested in this ole feller. Body is super rough, bed and fuel tank were missing, but the engine was "supposedly" internally sound, and the guy selling it seemed pretty trustworthy with little or nothing to gain by conning me... Picked it up, non-running, for $600 Got it back home and started seeing what I had. After some investigating, found that the graphite distributor "button" was pretty bad, replaced the distributor cap, adjusted the valves and hooked up a battery and, as of 2/24, the ole Tornado 230 will crank up! Quite a wonderful moment as I've never brought an old engine back to life...

His name is Walter. He shall be magnificent. He will most certainly confound me at times. I already love this dang truck.

It's gonna be a slow, VERY SLOW, resto-mod build. Going to try to do as much of the work as I can myself, and I'm also back in school full time at LSU for mechanical engineering (practical application of thermodynamics, whaaaaaaaaaat?!). I know a lot of guys on here are all about original specs, but I figure this truck's purpose at this point is to simply be enjoyed. So here's what I have planned:

Body work: the truck may end up being a rolling bondo container, but I want to do the patches on the body with fiberglass and bondo. I know many of you will take issue with this, and you can throw things at me through the internet. I like the idea of welding patch panels in, but I don't have a welder, don't know how to weld (although I suspect this will change the longer I own the truck) and I'm convinced I can be patient enough to do a good job with bondo-glass patches.

The floor pans are nasty. The passenger side floor pan is actually made from a "repurposed" road sign, which in all truthfulness is probably a pretty sturdy material for a floor pan. Gonna have to cut them out though, and fabricate my own and either weld (there's that w-word again) or rivet them to the existing good metal, then seal the seams and paint em up.

As of now, I'm planning on doing a metallic forest green on the outside, painting the interior metal the same color and redoing the dash some form of tan and redoing/reupholstering the interior in tan with tan custom carpets too. Did I mention there's going to be some trial and error in this?

The most glaring deficiency of this truck is its obvious lack of a bed. My girlfriend laughs at me because I told her I wanted a pickup truck. She says that I bought a truck that is incapable of doing literally the only thing that is exclusive to pickups. She may be on to something. The plan, as of now, is to pick up a fleetside bed in decent shape and cut the sides off, keeping the front and floor of it, then using wood for the sides and using Jeep fenders. The guy I bought it from had built a similar bed for a 1950 Willys pickup and I loved it. Here are some pictures. I'll try and keep this pretty updated, both for the sake of posting something I consider interesting and also so I'll document the whole process. Feel free to let me know how you feel about it. Any and all suggestions may or may not be ignored. :)

First got it home:


Walter (the truck) and Tuck (the old pup)


This would be the experiment in sanding/priming/chrome painting... Came out better than expected!

toddthewelder 02-26-2016 07:44 PM

That's a cool truck, look forward to how this plays out. You need to get a mig welder and learn how to use it, you don't have to go get a Lincoln or a miller to do what you need, eastwood has a good one that comes with an aluminum spool gun for $499, spend another $100 on a bottle of 75/25 shielding gas and you are good to go. http://www.eastwood.com/mig-welders-...spool-gun.html

63J200atLSU 02-27-2016 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by toddthewelder
That's a cool truck, look forward to how this plays out. You need to get a mig welder and learn how to use it, you don't have to go get a Lincoln or a miller to do what you need, eastwood has a good one that comes with an aluminum spool gun for $499, spend another $100 on a bottle of 75/25 shielding gas and you are good to go. http://www.eastwood.com/mig-welders-...spool-gun.html


Thanks Todd! I also look forward to how this plays out. It really is just going to be a "go to town and Home Depot" kinda truck, no heavy lifting required. I really just love old tech and this jeep is kinda perfect for that! I'll definitely give the welder some consideration, something might pop up on CL or I might have a friend whose uncle has one he's not using or something... My arm might be twisted.

SJTD 02-27-2016 10:54 AM

Looks pretty bad over the windshield. How is it really?

63J200atLSU 02-27-2016 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SJTD
Looks pretty bad over the windshield. How is it really?


Still not 100% sure what I'm going to find there once I start clearing that out. Honestly, what's showing up in pictures is some kind of sealant that somebody tried to put presumably to seal the windshield. That's worrisome in its own rite... Will keep this thread updated with all my discoveries, good and heartbreaking, as they come up. Crossing fingers.

toddthewelder 02-27-2016 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 63J200atLSU
Thanks Todd! I also look forward to how this plays out. It really is just going to be a "go to town and Home Depot" kinda truck, no heavy lifting required. I really just love old tech and this jeep is kinda perfect for that! I'll definitely give the welder some consideration, something might pop up on CL or I might have a friend whose uncle has one he's not using or something... My arm might be twisted.


If you work with your hands you can never go wrong buying tools

63J200atLSU 02-27-2016 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by toddthewelder
If you work with your hands you can never go wrong buying tools


There you go talking all that reason, Todd. It'll probably happen. Gah. My lady is going to kill me.

63J200atLSU 02-27-2016 06:53 PM

UPDATE!!! Huge day for the ole truck!
 
So this week, Walter (my J200's given name) fired up, I posted that in the preliminary paragraph... Today, I put new fuel lines in and ran em to a makeshift tank and also reinstalled the driveshaft. (Question, probably a dumb one: does the slip yoke go on towards the transfer case or the rear axle? I installed it with the slip yoke to the rear, but it occurred to me that would leave it exposed to more potentially damaging things...)

Anyway, the news. Walter moved into the carport under his own power! So that's a huge hurdle. Would've taken him around the block, but seeing as how the brake lines aren't hooked up, that seemed exceedingly perilous...

More to come!

toddthewelder 02-27-2016 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 63J200atLSU
There you go talking all that reason, Todd. It'll probably happen. Gah. My lady is going to kill me.

LoL! my brother says that to me a lot. slip yoke goes forward

63J200atLSU 03-01-2016 08:06 PM

DOH!
 
So all was going rather well, then I decided to fiddle with the timing today... From what I could tell, the timing was retarded. Loosened up the distributor cap a little bit, thinking that I could just advance it a smidge by hand and call it that, went to turn it and it didn't budge, until it budged all the budges. So not it's all wrong. Adding a timing light to my list of tools I now own this weekend.

Also, on a personal note, I'm a mechanical engineering student at LSU. Thermodynamics is my hell right now, although conceptually, it did help me sort out the ignition/timing/valvetrain of the truck, strangely... But I had my first test today. And I bombed. So I'll probably be moaning about Thermo at least until Christmas, as I'll probably have to take it again... Sadness. :( I think what I'm finding is that I'd be almost as happy being a mechanic as I would a mechanical engineer... But not quite. And the pay's a little different...

toddthewelder 03-01-2016 10:15 PM

One of my best friends is an Electrical Engineer, and another is a Mechanical engineer, sometimes when we are all together I feel like the kid in class that always ate the glue. The fun part is that I still have to work on their junk for them, but they are learning how to, so that's good

63J200atLSU 03-02-2016 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by toddthewelder
One of my best friends is an Electrical Engineer, and another is a Mechanical engineer, sometimes when we are all together I feel like the kid in class that always ate the glue. The fun part is that I still have to work on their junk for them, but they are learning how to, so that's good


The general concensus is that an engineering degree is just a certificate saying that you can be taught and will retain asinine amounts of information and finish things once you start them, so your EE and ME friend will probably take any info you give em and run with it at least. Or they'll annoy you and start saying things like, "Well what if you...?" haha

joe 03-04-2016 06:05 PM

Keep logically plugging away Greg, you'll get'er up and running despite you and you buds degrees. :D

KilroyJC 03-04-2016 06:29 PM

Just remember that it is engineers who design cars with things that are impossible to work on! Like the mid-80's Pontiac 6000 Front wheel drive V6 that requires you to unbolt motor mounts and roll the engine/transaxle forward to change the three plugs closest to the firewall - i found out about that AFTER helping a friend by bringing 1 medium and 2 LONG extension bars, 3 universal joints and ratcheting from above the windshield while he kept control behind the block.

Engineers.:banghead:

tgomes1987 03-05-2016 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 63J200atLSU
So all was going rather well, then I decided to fiddle with the timing today... From what I could tell, the timing was retarded. Loosened up the distributor cap a little bit, thinking that I could just advance it a smidge by hand and call it that, went to turn it and it didn't budge, until it budged all the budges. So not it's all wrong. Adding a timing light to my list of tools I now own this weekend.

Also, on a personal note, I'm a mechanical engineering student at LSU. Thermodynamics is my hell right now, although conceptually, it did help me sort out the ignition/timing/valvetrain of the truck, strangely... But I had my first test today. And I bombed. So I'll probably be moaning about Thermo at least until Christmas, as I'll probably have to take it again... Sadness. :( I think what I'm finding is that I'd be almost as happy being a mechanic as I would a mechanical engineer... But not quite. And the pay's a little different...


Keep on trucking man! I have a BS in Ag and Bio Engineering from Cal Poly SLO and I struggled with Thermodynamics / Dynamics myself. The class that almost did me in was Mechanics of Materials II. I seriously considered going back to a tech school and just being a mechanic instead (which was my original plan when I first graduated high school). Take advantage of every study session that is offered by the school (my school had a few a week you could go to) and work on problems with your fellow students whenever you can (I had a few buddies from my major that were in it at the same time). That helped me out a LOT!

63J200atLSU 03-07-2016 01:00 PM

GOOD NEWS!
 
So I've got a fuel tank on the way, already have all the lines and a new sending unit that I guess the PO never got around to installing because the tank was bad... New valve cover gasket also on the way, should be able to curb some of the oil seepage out of the valve cover (also got the cam bed/valve cover lug ready for a helicoil fix on the front lug that's stripped out of the cam bed). Also installing new points and a new condensor to complete my ignition rejuvenation. Ran a full bottle of seafoam through the carb (my neighbors were having a crawfish boil at the time, they really loved that...) on Saturday, the ole 230's running pretty smooth now, although I have a minor timing and mixture issue to address.

The big news, and most of you will be happy to know this, is that my lady's brother informed me that he has a MIG welder that he's not currently using and is really just taking up space that I can pretty much use for the duration of this project. So Walter's headed into the garage and the front clip, fenders, and doors are all coming off and getting de-rusted. No rolling bondo container plans anymore, as of 3/7.

Brake lines. I'm assuming somebody on here, probably EVERYBODY on here has done these. I'm thinking the easiest thing to do would just be to buy the steel brake lines and bend them myself pretty much starting from the t between the front and back lines. PO included some pre-bent lines, and they match up with some rusty lines that are no longer on the truck, but don't seem to line up with any of the brake lines on the truck, one of which is broken (right where it comes back under the cab) and the rest are pretty bad. Any suggestions here? I'm really interested in being able to utilize the amazing stopping power of a 4-drum system... ;)

You guys are saving my sanity by providing so much useful info, and probably saving my relationship by virtue of the fact that I haven't spent the savings account or burned the house down... Yet.

Pictures of the interior work coming soon.

Also, still looking for some vent window hinges/handles, both sides. Thought I'd found some, but can't get any responses outta some folks. Moving on...

racegas 03-07-2016 01:45 PM

Which chrome paint did you use on the grill?

63J200atLSU 03-07-2016 01:54 PM

rusto
 
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Which chrome paint did you use on the grill?

Just used rustoleum (there's two different types of rustoleum chrome, one just says metallic finish, one has a picture of furniture/mirror frames on it... It's just metallic finish)

I took it down to the bare metal, then primed it with grey automotive filler/primer then sanded it down with 400 grit. I actually touched it before it was dry like an idiot, and now I've got to redo it, so I'm going to prime it, fine sand it, prime it again, sand it again, and THEN paint it, and not touch it for 24 hours. That should take care of any smaller marks on it.

Really, the trick with any kind of painting, besides the preparation, is the actual painting motion. Don't know how much you've done, but the basic rule is never start or stop spraying on the piece you're working on, or else you'll end up with runs. Thin layers are the way to go, build up really slowly, be patient, primer is always necessary, and if it doesn't look right, take it down again and start over. Good luck!

toddthewelder 03-07-2016 04:12 PM

That's good that you found a welder to use. If you need any tips using it check out weldingtipsandtricks.com he has a youtube channel and tons of videos

63J200atLSU 03-07-2016 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by toddthewelder
That's good that you found a welder to use. If you need any tips using it check out weldingtipsandtricks.com he has a youtube channel and tons of videos


Thought you'd appreciate that, Todd! And thanks for that, I'll absolutely be needing to practice a good bit before I melt my truck into a little rubble heap!


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