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Kaiserjeeps 05-02-2010 11:23 AM

Another 70 wagoneer build
 
I have been working on this for a friend in Seattle. It's a C model. It really needed a new cab, but the owner wanted to save it despite the costs and time involved. Sentimental value speaks miles sometimes. There wont be much floor metal left. I plan on a bed panel for a blazer to be custom fit. Any better ideas?



I had to remove and rebuild the rear sill. I am looking for a good tailgate<---




Complete with Bill Hirsch paint.



Wheel wells...





Some hammer forming





More parts, inner rear wheel well.


Kaiserjeeps 05-02-2010 11:34 AM



This part took a lot of tuning.



Always sneak up on your edges.




So I need a tailgate for a 70. I thought I remembered reading here years ago about something changing with the latch assembly in the late 70's.
Can anyone shed some light on what gates and years I can use?

My 1969 1414X is only a few feet away. I have had it apart for 9 years now. Dana 60's TH-400, NP205, formerly 350 to a 455 to a LS6 not yet obtained. I'm itching to get this one back on the road. I need a twin.

Wayne 05-02-2010 12:59 PM

Wow nice work. You could build a whole new wagoneer from scratch.

Tad 05-02-2010 01:14 PM

Very nice work.
Yes, the latches change in mid '79, there's also a change to the bottom lip of the tailgate earlier than that, near the sealing area. You need someone smarter than me to point out exactly what it is though.

They will work up until the latch change (some folks actually get real creative and change the latches too) but you'll have to be creative on the lower portion of the seal.

COLOFIREMAN 05-02-2010 01:20 PM

Man you have a lot more time on your hand than I do!! Very nice work!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Mikel 05-02-2010 08:13 PM

Very nice! Quality sheetmetal work is a beautiful thing to watch.

[]V[]AXX 05-02-2010 08:46 PM

It always looks so easy when a pro does it. I spent 6 hours fabbing up a bucket seat bracket...:o

littlebuck23 05-02-2010 11:22 PM

Excellent job. You are very talented in working with sheet metal.

subscribed!

Kaiserjeeps 05-03-2010 11:05 AM

Hey, I am no pro! Just lucky.:D I "had" a great job teaching me this stuff. I also got a ton of info from u-tube videos on metal work. I learn as I go. Thanks for the comments and thank you Tad for confirming my fuzzy memory of the latch detail. I was not sure. And the seal area. Good stuff.
The search is on. Have cash.;)

This will be a stock restoration down to the hub caps. I am anxious to get all this metal work done so I can make it shine. That's the fun part.

Cheers

Artisan 05-03-2010 11:12 AM

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

mark j 05-03-2010 11:26 AM

In sourcing a replacement tailgate for my '72 I have come across two versions. My '72 tailgate has holes along the tailgate seal margin designed for the tailgate seal with built in retaining clips. I bought a solid tailgate in Arizona from a pre-73 wagoneer that did not have these- the seal was applied with adhesive. Not really a critical issue. I passed on two pristine tailgates at one yard due to their wanting $150 each which I thought was high at the time. Now that I know how much work you can put into a very good tailgate to get it to this condition I went back to this yard intending to buy both but sadly they crushed the FSJ's. Good luck sourcing your replacement. I dont know what year the gates changed but I gave away a near NOS gate from a '77 wagoneer as it would not work on my '72.

jeepjerry 05-03-2010 11:33 AM

Very nice fab work skills! I would hate to do that kind of work on a vehicle thats not my own...:D

Kaiserjeeps 05-04-2010 09:50 PM

It's a good friend from when I was a kid. :D

I got some more done. I ended up making a whole new bottom core support. It was three panels. I bought a 40" Harbor Freight bending brake for this stuff. It has done pretty well.



Making new parts.



Installing them.





For some reason my camera is bending the top floor flange. It is straight.



I need to do a little wheel house work. Then squeeze everything in and weld it. I will reskin the outside after the rig is sitting stable on all new floors and mounts and will not move. The rear sill is set. I need a replacement floor. A chev blazer bed patch panel looks like it may work with some edge work.

Kaiserjeeps 05-04-2010 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark j
In sourcing a replacement tailgate for my '72 I have come across two versions. My '72 tailgate has holes along the tailgate seal margin designed for the tailgate seal with built in retaining clips. I bought a solid tailgate in Arizona from a pre-73 wagoneer that did not have these- the seal was applied with adhesive. Not really a critical issue. I passed on two pristine tailgates at one yard due to their wanting $150 each which I thought was high at the time. Now that I know how much work you can put into a very good tailgate to get it to this condition I went back to this yard intending to buy both but sadly they crushed the FSJ's. Good luck sourcing your replacement. I dont know what year the gates changed but I gave away a near NOS gate from a '77 wagoneer as it would not work on my '72.


Thank you for this. And the other responses on this are included in that. :D

newtojeeps 05-05-2010 04:59 AM

go get an old or new truck bed. Don't forget the raised area by the wheel wells! great work by the way.:thumbsup:

jaber 05-05-2010 07:09 AM

That is awesome work. Just wish I had the shop and tools to refine my talents with.

BJ's has quite a few of the floor pan parts already made up, just dont know how much of the floor they have premade. Check with them. There was also a member here that was making them in the vendors section. VERY well made and a perfect fit...

NICE WORK!!!!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

littlebuck23 05-05-2010 09:05 AM

:eek: :eek: :eek: :thumbsup:

lookin good!! your bringing that body back from the dead. most guys would swap it out with that damage.

Kaiserjeeps 05-06-2010 11:01 AM

I talked about finding a cheap wag with a better body. A couple days to swap it out, fix what ever it needs and go. But he really wanted the same tub. I told him it would be months more work on top of the costs. He was sure about it. So I am patching it one panel at a time.
I wish I could make hat channels of substantial thickness quickly.

It is sure making me want to get mine going. I miss driving the big old thing.

I already have BJ's floor pans. Funny, I will install them and then patch between them. There will be no original floor except the little square pads inside the rear wheel houses.

I better get out there.;)

Kaiserjeeps 05-20-2010 09:54 PM

Got a few more things done. I'll have the floor in soon.
The drivers side.






A new core support.







In comparing to my wag next to this one, everything is about where it' supposed to be. I need to do more fitting though. The floor will tuck in here.



It's starting to look like something. :)

Kaiserjeeps 06-04-2010 05:35 PM

Now it is really starting to look better. I ended up choosing a 1970 GMC short bed rear half repair panel. The blazer was two piece R and L. The truck panel was one piece. It was about as much to ship as purchase. 400.00+







Lots of edge work to do.







TGIF.:drivin:

DAHoyle 06-05-2010 11:02 AM

Absolutely beautiful work. Wish I had that sort of talent. I generally just cut up other bodies for repair parts.

Kaiserjeeps 06-10-2010 10:51 AM

Thank you for the comments. I am pleased with how it is looking. The bed panel was the cats meow. I'll post more pictures when I can. I started uncovering my 69 1414x next to this 1970. I am starting to get reinterested in the old girl. It has been down for 8+ years now. I know no excuses.:p

Stay tuned...

bill3 06-10-2010 11:46 AM

:eek: NICE METAL WORK!!!!!!!! TUNING IN :thumbsup:

dpgoat 06-14-2010 08:00 PM

Nice work, glad I found this post. I welded in my first ever body panel yesterday. Welds were pretty ugly, nothing the grinder took care of that. I didnt burn any holes so Im happy. Nice to see what its supposed to look like. Any chance you could make up a few extra of those pieces for under the rear tail lamps?? If you do I'll take 2.

shimniok 06-14-2010 09:06 PM

Wow that is insanely cool... can you do my 86 when it finally rusts away? :D Subscribing to this thread...

Kaiserjeeps 06-16-2010 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpgoat
Nice work, glad I found this post. I welded in my first ever body panel yesterday. Welds were pretty ugly, nothing the grinder took care of that. I didnt burn any holes so Im happy. Nice to see what its supposed to look like. Any chance you could make up a few extra of those pieces for under the rear tail lamps?? If you do I'll take 2.



If you knew how long that tiny little piece took. :D I probably put it back 150 times fitting it up. And the cursing...;)
I can honestly say I hope I don't have to make some for my personal rig. There was more than a day involved.
I used a few different post dolly's. But the only special tool I needed was a shrinker stretcher unit. Harbor freight sells them. But I would recommend a Lancaster.

Kaiserjeeps 06-16-2010 10:38 PM

I have been pretty busy. I lost a couple family members a month apart at the start of this year. It's been a hand full trying to liquidate a home and carry on a life as it was. I am lucky to have a very understanding owner.

I spent some time terminating the stampings back into the floor. I ended up grafting in some special shaped stampings from a couple of scraps. It took some time but looked a bit better when set in place.



Now to fill all the gaps and make it flat.















I need to use the hat channel under the floor to duplicate the completely rusted one under the rear seat well. It will be a bit before I can secure the floor in. I'll keep posting when I have something to show.

Kaiserjeeps 07-09-2010 02:06 AM

Got a few more things done. I have finished the GMC bed patch panel. The rest of the body is sagging and the tops of the shocks are hitting the new floor. I will set the body on new metal and mounts and that should do it.

Talk about using a bunch of filler rod.












Using 303 protectant long term to rehydrate the rubber filler necks. A buddy of mine treated several dried M715 gaskets and brought them back to near new soft condition. We are talking about months of near daily sprays. It's an amazing product.




I have moved to the front floor pans. I'll try to get some more up soon.

shimniok 07-09-2010 07:29 AM

I would just about give a limb to acquire the skill (and time) to do that level of sheet metal fab/repair/weld/etc... looking fantastic!

YJ-4BT 07-09-2010 08:15 AM

Incredible work bud and incredible skills!:thumbsup:

81cherokee laredo 07-09-2010 09:17 AM

:eek: WOW!! that is amazing work

tgreese 07-09-2010 10:01 AM

Wow, this looks like heaps of fun. Very impressive. :thumbsup: I wish I had the time/skill/space/tools to do metal work like this.

Interesting that you use the jig saw here - I too have used the jig saw to cut out panels and found it a very effective method.

Keep it coming! I'm subscribed :fsj:

Kaiserjeeps 07-09-2010 11:41 AM

Geez, you guys are gonna give me a big head.:D I am seriously new to this. I got some cool training at a extreme high end shop, but the work went away with the economy. I was bummed and would have worked for free if I could.
I figure it's only metal right? It can be moved.:)

And yes the skil saw works great for sheet metal.

Thanks for the words. There is something to be said about following your bliss. Unseen doors will open. And they have.

Thank you.

billyj7175 07-09-2010 05:24 PM

I hate to be a broken record here, but wow...that is some outstanding metal work there!

Smithers 07-11-2010 07:49 AM

You can never have too many Vise-grips and C-clamps. They just make life more easy. Looks great man!

Kaiserjeeps 07-14-2010 01:08 AM

And I need more visegrips!:D

I got a little more done. The floor was toast. A good reason for carpet instead of the original rubber or vinyl mat. Fortunately the hat channels and the rocker were excellent. I needed a new toe piece in front of the patch panel.
And new floor between the patch panels.:)









Everything is rough cut. Lots of fitting left.



More to follow.

tgreese 07-14-2010 06:41 AM

I've been collecting links to rust repair projects for a while. This thread was added. Here are a couple that you guys might like:

http://spi.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=1939&mforum=spi

http://www.autobody101.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8047

joe 07-27-2010 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaiserjeeps
Geez, you guys are gonna give me a big head.:D I am seriously new to this. I got some cool training at a extreme high end shop, but the work went away with the economy. I was bummed and would have worked for free if I could.
I figure it's only metal right? It can be moved.:)
Thank you.

Good attitude. I'd work for a metal masher for free to learn. I'm no mechanic by any means but due to the enviroment outside the house I grew up with the wrench in hand rather than a hammer. Looking back it's odd cause my old man was a tool-n-die maker by trade and one year the shop he worked for was contracted to build an Indy race car body. Old man made the model and hammer formed the entire body for a 60 something Indy car. Made me take notice of how much skill/eye is required to do nice work rather than just standard bang it, weld it, grind it, paint it, cash the check.
If you ever go commercial and can provide tent or bag space email me I'd give you some serious time mucking the shop, cleaning heads or whatever to learn from you.

Nice work sir!

Kaiserjeeps 08-10-2010 10:15 AM

Well here is some more. I started on the rear seat surround after finishing the front passenger floor pan. I was going to build forward and join with the new panel. Then I found a X model wagoneer in the desert here in southern OR. The floors in it are ten times better than this one. The rest of it is way to rusty to deal with. I will be cut and pasting big parts in now. I won't have to hand make each piece. The rig is 5 hours away and my tow rig is down. So time to sweet talk a friend who has been known to volunteer for a jeep recovery or two in the past. I did score the whole interior of the X model for spares for me. Sweet!

The brittle gas filler necks are starting to soften from the daily sprays of 303 protectant. Looks like they will be able to be saved.

When I get the cab here I will post up more. Grafting in factory components is the best way to go here. Stay tuned...


My pictures won't load.:mad:

Kaiserjeeps 08-10-2010 10:22 AM

Thanks Joe. I am trying to move to a bigger shop, smaller home. I would expand if it happened. I also want to go back to school on this stuff.
Or afford the wheel and bigger tools and learn by trying hands on.
I was working on a 150K copy of the graffitti coupe for a while at a great job a couple years ago. Now that was intimidating. Every move watched by the owner in Tacoma via camera along with all day updates. Rivit's in the frame would get moved 2 inches to be correct. Nutso.

I like the old waggie sitting here. Low key and she is going to be a cream puff with SS hubcaps in the end.
Cheers!


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