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Banchee 07-31-2019 02:19 PM

New Jeep Pro-Flo 4 From Edelbrock
 
We have had a lot of inquires from Jeep owners wanting to know when our Pro-Flo 4 EFI system will be finished for the Jeep V8.

Well---------Just an FYI for anyone that is interested.

Edelbrock will be releasing the Pro-Flo 4 EFI system in the 4th. quarter of 2019. It will debut at SEMA in November. This is a completely new, self learning system, with a new intake design that uses a standard 4150 flange, and 35 lb./hr. injectors, and our Tech. Dept. tells me it "will be capable of 625 HP MAX".

Part number for the Jeep V8's is:
#35650 for 1970-91.

j2sax 07-31-2019 04:03 PM

NIce.. can't wait for further details... I won't be at SEMA this year, but this will be one of many products I am looking forward to this year!

Madduck 07-31-2019 04:51 PM

not looking for a cage match, i'm sincere.
the advantage of yours vs sniper?

my '79 cherokee 360 is what i'm looking for a fuel injected system for. not in a hurry to grab one so i'm looking forward the edelbrock.

thank you
/r

conehead 08-05-2019 06:23 AM

I hope it's easier to program than the original pro-flo system. I've has one on my 401 for years and have never been able to get it to run to my satisfaction. The only reason I've kept it is because I spent a lot of money for it.

Banchee 08-05-2019 04:22 PM

There is a good amount of information at details about the advantages of the Pro-Flo 4 EFI systems on the website and in the Edelbrock catalog.

In short the Pro-Flow 4 is a fully sequential port injection system, not just a throttle body unit. It is also made in the USA unlike the Sniper.

Basically, it is "plug and play out of the box" You don't need a laptop or any tuning experience to set up. Pro-Flo 4 is self learning so it continually makes adjustments to improve engine performance and drivability.

I personally have the Pro-Flo 2 in one of my AMC's and it runs great, but I am really looking forward to the PF4 EFI system due to it's simplicity and self learning/tuning ability.

rang-a-stang 08-05-2019 06:02 PM

PPPPPLLLLLEEEEEAAAAASSSSEEE Tell me it will have a CARB EO number!!!

If it does, I will be posting 2 of my children for sale to get it!

Banchee 08-07-2019 05:16 PM

I wish I could, but CARB will not give it an EO number due to it's adjustability and there is no EGR function. Don't you just love the CARB!!!

Madduck 08-08-2019 07:15 AM

i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed so i don't understand something with this kit.

i don't think this is a throttle body injection style but i dont think it's a multi-port injection either. which is it and is there another injection style that i'm unaware of?

i had an '85 cj7 years ago. i installed the mopar MPI kit on that engine and absolutely loved it! it's been quite a few years ago so i may be imagining things but it seems that kit came with a fuel rail that lined up with the jugs that held each injector. i dont see that with this kit. i'm a shade tree mech so it's completely possible that i dont see/understand how this works.

thanks for coming here and answering questions.
cheers, j-

rang-a-stang 08-08-2019 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banchee
I wish I could, but CARB will not give it an EO number due to it's adjustability and there is no EGR function. Don't you just love the CARB!!!

I love CARB more than the rust in my fender flares, the giant spare tire around my waist, cancer, and the plague combined.

babywag 08-08-2019 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madduck
i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed so i don't understand something with this kit.

i don't think this is a throttle body injection style but i dont think it's a multi-port injection either. which is it and is there another injection style that i'm unaware of?

i had an '85 cj7 years ago. i installed the mopar MPI kit on that engine and absolutely loved it! it's been quite a few years ago so i may be imagining things but it seems that kit came with a fuel rail that lined up with the jugs that held each injector. i dont see that with this kit. i'm a shade tree mech so it's completely possible that i dont see/understand how this works.

thanks for coming here and answering questions.
cheers, j-


All the AMC Edelbrock pro flo systems have been MPFI w/ 8 injectors.

A sequential injection system is simply controlled by the computer with help of a sensor so it knows when to fire each injector.
Sequential/MPFI was primarily introduced to reduce emissions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banchee
I wish I could, but CARB will not give it an EO number due to it's adjustability and there is no EGR function. Don't you just love the CARB!!!


The CARB is a joke...if they really cared about emissions/air quality they would be in love with EFI conversions.
Interesting they state EGR as an issue, Howell still uses a simple vacuum setup for EGR...NO idea how they actually allowed that to fly?

Madduck 08-08-2019 09:41 AM

thanks much babywag.

for the didnt understand that mpfi was aka:sequential.
i'm looking forward to more info on this system.

cheers, j-

Banchee 08-08-2019 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madduck
i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed so i don't understand something with this kit.

i don't think this is a throttle body injection style but i dont think it's a multi-port injection either. which is it and is there another injection style that i'm unaware of?

i had an '85 cj7 years ago. i installed the mopar MPI kit on that engine and absolutely loved it! it's been quite a few years ago so i may be imagining things but it seems that kit came with a fuel rail that lined up with the jugs that held each injector. i dont see that with this kit. i'm a shade tree mech so it's completely possible that i dont see/understand how this works.

thanks for coming here and answering questions.
cheers, j-


This is a typical Pro-Flo 4 EFI system. This one happens to be for a small block Chevy, but will give you an idea what the Pro-Flo 4 EFI consists of. It is a true port injected EFI system!


Madduck 08-08-2019 05:45 PM

thx banchee.
are you with edelbrock or a business owner that will sell this when it hits the market?
thank for the explanation.

cheers, j-

Banchee 08-09-2019 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madduck
thx banchee.
are you with edelbrock or a business owner that will sell this when it hits the market?
thank for the explanation.

cheers, j-


I work there!

johnsonic 08-09-2019 03:11 PM

Looks like I'll be waiting until Q4 to get fuel injection now... :)

This looks sweet, and the price point is great provided it will run around what the other pro-flow units go for. Can't believe you get the FI, distributor, AND intake for that money.

JeepsAndGuns 08-11-2019 07:09 AM

I like the new intake to where it uses the standard carb flange/footprint instead of the proprietary one of the old system.
I do not like how they stuck with the small pico injectors. I would have much rather had normal/standard bosch style/length injectors. It would make for easier swaps to different flow injectors, as well as more affordable and easier to find replacements if one fails.

pickledtoast 08-13-2019 12:03 PM

It looks like they are using the smallest Bosch EV14 injectors, which are quite nice especially compared to the ancient EV1 and can be found at any injector dealer, from budget ebay chinese crap to baller ID injectors, junk yards on some LS engines.

If you really wanted to use a taller injector, it seems to be pretty simple to make a taller spacer for the fuel rail bracket.

red mistress 08-13-2019 03:50 PM

Thanks for sharing the news Dennis

Madduck 08-14-2019 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banchee
I work there!


:thumbsup:
so all of us here now "know" someone on the "inside".
sweeeeeet

thanks for your time here.

cheers, j-

MReese Wagonner 08-22-2019 11:12 AM

So i have been looking in Summit and do not see this PN available
Where is it available ?
Realistically it will be a Christmas present lol

babywag 08-22-2019 05:57 PM

Read 1st post...

miracleed 11-12-2019 03:07 PM

this the thingy?

https://www.edelbrockspeedshop.com/E...eep_s/2079.htm

babywag 11-14-2019 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miracleed


No, that is the old proflo system and hasn't been made in years.

Full Size Jeeper 11-24-2019 05:22 PM

(Read 1st post...) They must have meant the 5th quarter!! Lol.....

miracleed 11-27-2019 11:37 AM

I sent a PM to the original poster and check the Edelbrock website from time to time... nothing yet. Holley might be calling my name.

SC/397 12-08-2019 08:15 AM

According to this, it is available now.
http://theamcforum.com/forum/new-efi...26_page45.html

Pricing is out for the AMC V8 Pro-Flo 4 EFI system!
Retail price is $1895.95 and orders are now being accepted (through one of our accounts) for early Jan 2020 shipping.
First one out will be 1970-91 part # 35650, the 1967-69 # 35660 will be a little later release.

miracleed 12-12-2019 12:01 PM

chatted with edelbrock today and they confirmed that it should be available in january. thanks SC/397.

Banchee 01-09-2020 12:20 PM

They are available NOW !!!!

I just checked inventory and we have (5) systems left on the shelf.

We also have the EFI intake by itself #28115 for those who want to piece together their own EFI system.

MysticRob 01-11-2020 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banchee
They are available NOW !!!!

I just checked inventory and we have (5) systems left on the shelf.

We also have the EFI intake by itself #28115 for those who want to piece together their own EFI system.


The website isn't updated with any of that information. Neither 28115 nor 35650 are shown in product searches. Better get those designer guys hot on making sure stuff is visible so we can buy it.

conehead 01-12-2020 07:54 AM

I just got mine from summit racing last week. It looks like a nice system but there are a couple of small issues. It doesn't include a fuel deliver system like the original Pro-Flo system did so you have to get their package, $483 at summit or make your own. Their is no baffle under the intake manifold to stop the oil from entering the PCV valve and the intake manifold gaskets that are included just cover between the intake manifold and the heads leaving the lifter area exposed. AMC used a metal pan gasket type that I think you have to use.

StretchinPA 01-12-2020 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banchee
They are available NOW !!!!

I just checked inventory and we have (5) systems left on the shelf.

We also have the EFI intake by itself #28115 for those who want to piece together their own EFI system.


Do you have a part number for a kit without the tablet?

Banchee 01-13-2020 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conehead
I just got mine from summit racing last week. It looks like a nice system but there are a couple of small issues. It doesn't include a fuel deliver system like the original Pro-Flo system did so you have to get their package, $483 at summit or make your own. Their is no baffle under the intake manifold to stop the oil from entering the PCV valve and the intake manifold gaskets that are included just cover between the intake manifold and the heads leaving the lifter area exposed. AMC used a metal pan gasket type that I think you have to use.



Several companies make fuel delivery systems, or you can piece together your own with a good high pressure pump inside the tank and a return line through the OE sending unit. Much safer then running a fuel sump under the hood!!

The intake manifold has provisions (boss's) to install the OE PCV baffle (off of a stock intake) to the underside of the EFI intake. And yes, you should use the OE style metal valley intake gasket

johnsonic 01-31-2020 11:03 PM

Has anyone installed this thing in their FSJ? Curious about the height and if there are clearance issues. And of course curious about the install/performance!

Looks awesome and with timing control out of the box makes me second guess getting a Sniper and also getting Hyperspark. But am wondering about the height - saw some folks who had issues but they may have been in AMC cars. Just want to make sure I can close my hood.

StretchinPA 02-09-2020 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnsonic
Has anyone installed this thing in their FSJ? Curious about the height and if there are clearance issues. And of course curious about the install/performance!

Looks awesome and with timing control out of the box makes me second guess getting a Sniper and also getting Hyperspark. But am wondering about the height - saw some folks who had issues but they may have been in AMC cars. Just want to make sure I can close my hood.


If you're on Facebook this guy has it installed.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/449327...composer=false

acct21 02-19-2020 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banchee
Much safer then running a fuel sump under the hood!!


Interesting claim... particularly in light of the fact that Edelbrock was one of the first companies to bring one to market. Any data to support?

Me, I prefer to go the "unsafe" route instead of starving my high pressure fuel pump when I slosh gas away from the pickup at under 1/3 tank.

babywag 02-20-2020 09:00 AM

I'll go out on a limb here...
He is simply stating the fact that any fuel sump mounted under the hood of an FSJ is not as safe as an in-tank pump.
These things crumple up like a beer car in an accident.
Obviously having a large container of fuel under the hood isn't as safe.

Banchee 02-20-2020 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babywag
I'll go out on a limb here...
He is simply stating the fact that any fuel sump mounted under the hood of an FSJ is not as safe as an in-tank pump.
These things crumple up like a beer car in an accident.
Obviously having a large container of fuel under the hood isn't as safe.


You are 100% correct babywag!!!

Just because we make fuel sumps doesn't mean that is the best way to go. I do know that I would never put a plastic container of fuel and a high pressure fuel pump under the hood of my own car (no mater who makes the fuel sump)when it's more efficient and safer to have all the fuel and the high pressure fuel pump inside the fuel tank.

babywag 02-20-2020 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banchee
You are 100% correct babywag!!!

Just because we make fuel sumps doesn't mean that is the best way to go. I do know that I would never put a plastic container of fuel and a high pressure fuel pump under the hood of my own car (no mater who makes the fuel sump)when it's more efficient and safer to have all the fuel and the high pressure fuel pump inside the fuel tank.


lol
I sure wouldn't even put a metal one after seeing first hand what happened with a ~35ish MPH crash did on mine recently.

TGrandWagon 04-01-2020 01:02 PM

Does s anyone else have experience with this? Was going to pull the trigger on Holley Sniper EFI Returnless Self-Tuning Fuel Injection Systems 550-511D but this is making me wonder..

MysticRob 04-01-2020 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGrandWagon
Does s anyone else have experience with this? Was going to pull the trigger on Holley Sniper EFI Returnless Self-Tuning Fuel Injection Systems 550-511D but this is making me wonder..


I did some research on it and build quality was a little suspect since it's early. The individual injectors can lead to more precise metering and slightly more power (but more fail points?), but it's an expensive system when considering you still need a fuel pump setup beyond the dizzy and intake included with this system. The tuning interface looks top notch though.

I figure both Holley and Howell have similar products, and only Howell is 50-state approved.
https://howellefi.com/product/k247jp...eer-401-clone/

I'm still looking at the best option too though, since at some point I'll want to delete the stock dizzy, the carb, possibly the EGR (if I can -- smog requirements??), and of course go with a better breathing intake and 4bbl-type set up and coil for increased power.

At some point I'll make an excel sheet listing all my needs, what each kit offers, and what else I'll need to piece together for a full-on EFI, intake, dizzy, coil, and fuel pump set up.


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